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jw007
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 Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:08 am Post subject: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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My heat went out over the weekend.
I have an AC unit outside and a gas heat unit in the attic with a
blower fan attached to it. The AC connects into the blower allowing
the heat and AC to come out of the same register.
The service guy said he replaced a fan that is used to send the
combustilbe or CO2 out the exhaust or something like that. It cost
$385 for the fan.
The problem that I found originally was that the Tsats would click on
and the ignitor solenoid would make noise for a few seconds than stop,
then the tsat would click off.
Does that sound right?
Jason |
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Stormin Mormon
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:49 am Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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We don't have enough information. But at the moment it sounds possible that
was a reasonable bill.
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"jw007" <jw007@jw007.com> wrote in message
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My heat went out over the weekend.
I have an AC unit outside and a gas heat unit in the attic with a
blower fan attached to it. The AC connects into the blower allowing
the heat and AC to come out of the same register.
The service guy said he replaced a fan that is used to send the
combustilbe or CO2 out the exhaust or something like that. It cost
$385 for the fan.
The problem that I found originally was that the Tsats would click on
and the ignitor solenoid would make noise for a few seconds than stop,
then the tsat would click off.
Does that sound right?
Jason |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:35 am Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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It could have been just a capacitor, but we have no way of knowing how
big the fan was, if they replaced the motor and the fan, or just the
motor, and the nusiance and overhead charges involved (and possible
higher charges on weekends). So we have no idea without more details
so at the moment I'd have to speculate that they were being reasonable.
Try posing back more details if you want a better answer. |
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jw007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:59 am Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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I just got it fixed today, Monday. So no weekend rate.
Here's the thing...It wasn't the fan. At least not the blower fan. I
know that worked because if I moved the tstat to fan air came out of
the vents.
That's why I feel like I got taken.
Unless there is some other small fan that is used internally that
releases CO2 fumes or vents the gas line or something that would keep
the pilot light from lighting.
I had the unit worked on once before and the guy replaced a part
inside the ignightor for less than 100 bucks including the service
call.
The unit never got to ignite the pilot so I don't see how a fan would
be the problem. I would think that the ignitor was bad.
Jason
On 17 Jan 2005 13:35:26 -0800, scott_z500@my-deja.com wrote:
| Quote: | It could have been just a capacitor, but we have no way of knowing how
big the fan was, if they replaced the motor and the fan, or just the
motor, and the nusiance and overhead charges involved (and possible
higher charges on weekends). So we have no idea without more details
so at the moment I'd have to speculate that they were being reasonable.
Try posing back more details if you want a better answer. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:08 am Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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It could have been just a capacitor, but we have no way of knowing how
big the fan was, if they replaced the motor and the fan, or just the
motor, and the nusiance and overhead charges involved (and possible
higher charges on weekends). So we have no idea without more details
so at the moment I'd have to speculate that they were being reasonable.
Try posing back more details if you want a better answer. |
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D.A.K.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:25 am Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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jw007 wrote:
| Quote: | My heat went out over the weekend.
I have an AC unit outside and a gas heat unit in the attic with a
blower fan attached to it. The AC connects into the blower allowing
the heat and AC to come out of the same register.
The service guy said he replaced a fan that is used to send the
combustilbe or CO2 out the exhaust or something like that. It cost
$385 for the fan.
The problem that I found originally was that the Tsats would click on
and the ignitor solenoid would make noise for a few seconds than stop,
then the tsat would click off.
Does that sound right?
Jason
Just a guess but what you describe sounds like the "inducer" which is a |
small blower that moves the combustion products through the heat
exchanger and out the external vent. Typically the control circuitry for
the furnace will sense that the blower is running (via an air-pressure
switch) before starting the rest of the lighting sequence. IIRC in my
furnace the inducer comes on for a couple of seconds before the gas
solenoid and igniter activate.
I'd guess that the actual cost of the little blower might have made up
1/3 of the bill. The rest was probably the labor involved in the
troubleshooting and replacement. Not rocket science but the knowledge of
what to do when is seldom cheap even if the parts involved are. |
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John Hines
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:38 am Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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jw007 <jw007@jw007.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I just got it fixed today, Monday. So no weekend rate.
Here's the thing...It wasn't the fan. At least not the blower fan. I
know that worked because if I moved the tstat to fan air came out of
the vents.
That's why I feel like I got taken.
Unless there is some other small fan that is used internally that
releases CO2 fumes or vents the gas line or something that would keep
the pilot light from lighting.
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High efficiency furnaces have a draft fan that pulls combustion air in,
and forces the exhaust out. They don't depend on the heat of the
exhaust for the draft.
| Quote: | The unit never got to ignite the pilot so I don't see how a fan would
be the problem. I would think that the ignitor was bad.
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If the draft fan doesn't start the combustion airflow, the furnace won't
light.
Said fan is independent of the fan that circulates the heated air. |
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Colbyt
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:40 am Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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"jw007" <jw007@jw007.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | That's why I feel like I got taken.
Unless there is some other small fan that is used internally that
releases CO2 fumes or vents the gas line or something that would keep
the pilot light from lighting.
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Inducer fan (exhaust gas) on an 80% furnace. This must start and run for x
seconds before the igniter will light the burner. After the burner has been
on for y seconds the blower motor (blows air to the registers) starts.
No comments about the price except to say it includes labor, overhead and
profit. |
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DN B
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:55 am Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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'Unless there is some other small fan that is used internally that
releases CO2 fumes or vents the gas line or something that would'
You mean 'CO" . CO2 is carbon DIOXIDE.
Look on the bill and see what he said he put in ; if its a draft inducer
assembly, then, $385 incl. labor is a bit high...unless he had to make a
special trip to get one and charged you the time required. If he
charged you $385 just for the Inducer...then he clipped you. ALways ask
for the old part(s) replaced -- you have the right to them...they are
yours. |
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Doug Boulter
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:16 am Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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jw007 <jw007@jw007.com> wrote on 17 Jan 2005:
| Quote: | It wasn't the fan. At least not the blower fan. I
know that worked because if I moved the tstat to fan air came
out of the vents.
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True so far.
| Quote: | That's why I feel like I got taken.
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So, knowing virtually nothing about how modern furnaces work, you
think you got taken because you didn't get an explanation you
understood from the repair person?
| Quote: | Unless there is some other small fan that is used internally
that releases CO2 fumes or vents the gas line or something that
would keep the pilot light from lighting.
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Bingo! Because the exhaust gases of modern furnaces are cooler,
many use a fan to force a draft up the chimney. Until the fan is
running and the draft exists, the ignitor won't ignite. If it did,
the combustion gases could backdraft into your house, killing you.
| Quote: | The unit never got to ignite the pilot so I don't see how a fan
would be the problem. I would think that the ignitor was bad.
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See, you just went from having the solution to getting it wrong
again.
Now, was the price you paid for the fan fair? We can't tell until
we know the brand of the furnace, its model, and the affiliation of
the repair person. I can tell you that if you had a Lennox draft
inducer fan it costs an arm and a leg, and if a non-Lennox
affiliated service person trys to buy one for you, you'll really be
screwed.
All-in-all, it sounds as if you were treated fairly, as most of the
other posters have said.
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Doug Boulter
To reply by e-mail, remove the obvious word from the e-mail address |
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Greg O
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:14 am Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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"DN B" <DNandB@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24114-41EC4251-239@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net...
| Quote: | 'Unless there is some other small fan that is used internally that
releases CO2 fumes or vents the gas line or something that would'
You mean 'CO" . CO2 is carbon DIOXIDE.
Look on the bill and see what he said he put in ; if its a draft inducer
assembly, then, $385 incl. labor is a bit high...unless he had to make a
special trip to get one and charged you the time required. If he
charged you $385 just for the Inducer...then he clipped you. ALways ask
for the old part(s) replaced -- you have the right to them...they are
yours.
Maybe, maybe not. COST on inducers for some furnaces are close to $300! Most |
should retail for $200 -$250 range, but there are some killers out there,
and some that are cheaper.
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BGBevill
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:27 am Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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| Quote: | Look on the bill and see what he said he put in ; if its a draft inducer
assembly, then, $385 incl. labor is a bit high...unless he had to make a
special trip to get one and charged you the time required. If he
charged you $385 just for the Inducer...then he clipped you. ALways ask
for the old part(s) replaced -- you have the right to them...they are
yours.
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I agree that you have the right to the old parts if you want them. I always
offer them to my customers and if they do not want them, I ask to throw them in
their garbage unless it is something large or something that needs special
disposal. I have no need for them or their taking up space on my truck. As
for the price, I don't see how anyone can comment because there just isn't
enough information. IF it was a draft inducer assembly as has been speculated,
in my price book they run from $285 to over $600 installed depending on the
make and model of the equipment. About all I can say about the price is that
it does fall within that range.
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Bubba
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:44 am Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:55:13 -0600, DNandB@webtv.net (DN B) wrote:
| Quote: | 'Unless there is some other small fan that is used internally that
releases CO2 fumes or vents the gas line or something that would'
You mean 'CO" . CO2 is carbon DIOXIDE.
Look on the bill and see what he said he put in ; if its a draft inducer
assembly, then, $385 incl. labor is a bit high...unless he had to make a
special trip to get one and charged you the time required. If he
charged you $385 just for the Inducer...then he clipped you. ALways ask
for the old part(s) replaced -- you have the right to them...they are
yours.
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DN B
You are the dumbest *** idiot on this planet. You have no idea
what an inducer assembly cost and you have no idea what it costs to
run a company. $385 is more than reasonable for an inducer assembly
installed and its a part that is usually not stocked because they are
too *** expensive and too *** many of them to stock on one truck.
Before I get too long winded I just looked up and noticed you are a
webtv ***. That explains it all. Most likely, you're the last
webtv *** I did this with. Go *** your stupid self silly and dont
come back...............even if you manage to aquire part of a brain.
Bubba |
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TURTLE
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:54 am Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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"jw007" <jw007@jw007.com> wrote in message
news:n1dou059f2pi2rtqv4980ngfjpbce8k8u2@4ax.com...
| Quote: | I just got it fixed today, Monday. So no weekend rate.
Here's the thing...It wasn't the fan. At least not the blower fan. I
know that worked because if I moved the tstat to fan air came out of
the vents.
That's why I feel like I got taken.
Unless there is some other small fan that is used internally that
releases CO2 fumes or vents the gas line or something that would keep
the pilot light from lighting.
I had the unit worked on once before and the guy replaced a part
inside the ignightor for less than 100 bucks including the service
call.
The unit never got to ignite the pilot so I don't see how a fan would
be the problem. I would think that the ignitor was bad.
Jason
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This is Turtle.
There is two fans on it. A Vent fan for CO from burners and a air blower fan to
move air in the house. Either one of these fans being replace can run you
$300.00 something atleast. Unless i was standing there looking at the job. I
could not say as to anything on this job as to what with the little info you
give.
Now to being ripped off here. I have not read anything that would lead me to say
that here at all.
TURTLE |
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~KJPRO~
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: HVAC part seemed very expensive |
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | We don't have enough information. But at the moment it sounds possible
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was a reasonable bill.
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Hey DipShit, he said 'for the fan' not 'bill'
Once more you prove your stupidity!
| Quote: | Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Something or leave.
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| Quote: | "jw007" <jw007@jw007.com> wrote in message
news:hf3ou0l7aleok11g03g0uv00vn7uo2isrt@4ax.com...
My heat went out over the weekend.
I have an AC unit outside and a gas heat unit in the attic with a
blower fan attached to it. The AC connects into the blower allowing
the heat and AC to come out of the same register.
The service guy said he replaced a fan that is used to send the
combustilbe or CO2 out the exhaust or something like that. It cost
$385 for the fan.
The problem that I found originally was that the Tsats would click on
and the ignitor solenoid would make noise for a few seconds than stop,
then the tsat would click off.
Does that sound right?
Jason
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