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Staycalm
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 Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:25 pm Post subject: Cucumbers and beans in Melbourne |
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I have a lovely big new veggie bed and have planted all the old faves. Two
new items I wanted to try are cucumbers and beans.
I have some seedlings of the continental/burpless variety. What is the best
way to support them as they grow? They have been planted in a row.
Also I can't decide what beans to plant. Can anyone recommend some tasty
varieties? Easiest support for them to grow on?
Cheers
Liz |
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Rayband
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:16 am Post subject: Re: Cucumbers and beans in Melbourne |
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I have just started this year growing the 'burpless' cucumber and they are
happy growing up a homemade trellis of garden canes...
Have you tried growing bush beans? I have just had a bumper crop of beans
'Brown Beauty' im in Queensland. These dont require any support and grow
approx 60-80cm in height...
Happy Gardening!
R
"Staycalm" <lizirwin@ihatespamoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I have a lovely big new veggie bed and have planted all the old faves. Two
new items I wanted to try are cucumbers and beans.
I have some seedlings of the continental/burpless variety. What is the
best way to support them as they grow? They have been planted in a row.
Also I can't decide what beans to plant. Can anyone recommend some tasty
varieties? Easiest support for them to grow on?
Cheers
Liz
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Ms Leebee
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:18 am Post subject: Re: Cucumbers and beans in Melbourne |
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Staycalm wrote:
| Quote: | I have a lovely big new veggie bed and have planted all the old
faves. Two new items I wanted to try are cucumbers and beans.
I have some seedlings of the continental/burpless variety. What is
the best way to support them as they grow? They have been planted in
a row. Also I can't decide what beans to plant. Can anyone recommend some
tasty varieties? Easiest support for them to grow on?
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French runner beans - yum !
Grew ours up on the fence, with help of stakes/wire/trellis - pretty
haphazard, just supporting as we went.
Never grown cuc's though .. but would be interested ... yum ( gotta get that
vege patch going !  |
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Ms Leebee
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Cucumbers and beans in Melbourne |
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meeee wrote:
| Quote: | "Ms Leebee" <leebeeNOTHINGTOSPAMHERE@ozdebate.com> wrote ...
Vegetables are going through the roof in the near future.
Time to start that patch....
Yep, exactly. My grocery bill is astronomical at the moment, and I
buy little crap/pre-packaged, lots of veg.
I thought it was just me...ours seems to rise every week, and we
don't buy much luxury stuff...although come to think of it, fresh
fruit and vegies is a luxury these days.
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Yep.
I wonder at house with pantries full of chips and bikkies. Yummo and all
that .. but how do they afford it ?!
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Staycalm
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Cucumbers and beans in Melbourne |
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"Ms Leebee" <leebeeNOTHINGTOSPAMHERE@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | meeee wrote:
"Ms Leebee" <leebeeNOTHINGTOSPAMHERE@ozdebate.com> wrote ...
Vegetables are going through the roof in the near future.
Time to start that patch....
Yep, exactly. My grocery bill is astronomical at the moment, and I
buy little crap/pre-packaged, lots of veg.
I thought it was just me...ours seems to rise every week, and we
don't buy much luxury stuff...although come to think of it, fresh
fruit and vegies is a luxury these days.
Yep.
I wonder at house with pantries full of chips and bikkies. Yummo and all
that .. but how do they afford it ?!
They are heaps cheaper than fruit and veggies? |
Liz |
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meeee
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Cucumbers and beans in Melbourne |
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"Ms Leebee" <leebeeNOTHINGTOSPAMHERE@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
news:Y_k1h.55851$rP1.41877@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
| Quote: | meeee wrote:
"Ms Leebee" <leebeeNOTHINGTOSPAMHERE@ozdebate.com> wrote ...
Vegetables are going through the roof in the near future.
Time to start that patch....
Yep, exactly. My grocery bill is astronomical at the moment, and I
buy little crap/pre-packaged, lots of veg.
I thought it was just me...ours seems to rise every week, and we
don't buy much luxury stuff...although come to think of it, fresh
fruit and vegies is a luxury these days.
Yep.
I wonder at house with pantries full of chips and bikkies. Yummo and all
that .. but how do they afford it ?!
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A 1kg packet of choc biccies is about 3.99 a kilo of apples is 5.99 min. at
Coles; don't get me started on grapes, bananas, etc. 2 min noodles are
cheap; cooking a dietician approved diet of varied vegies, dairy, healthy
carbs, etc is exxy nowadays; we spend 2-3 hundred a week for us and 2
toddlers and that's mostly fruit veg, and other healthy stuff; when we had
less money and had about half that to spend we just couldn't afford vegies
other than carrots, frozen peas, onions and potatoes. Okish but not my
preferred diet for raising children. Unfortunately the drought looks like
making things worse; sustainable home gardening seems the only answer. DH is
very interested in hydroponic gardening, but that will have to wait until we
get our own place. |
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Tish
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Cucumbers and beans in Melbourne |
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On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:45:24 GMT, "meeee"
<pleasespamme@youknowyouwantto.gov.au> wrote:
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A 1kg packet of choc biccies is about 3.99 a kilo of apples is 5.99 min. at
Coles; don't get me started on grapes, bananas, etc. 2 min noodles are
cheap; cooking a dietician approved diet of varied vegies, dairy, healthy
carbs, etc is exxy nowadays; we spend 2-3 hundred a week for us and 2
toddlers and that's mostly fruit veg, and other healthy stuff; when we had
less money and had about half that to spend we just couldn't afford vegies
other than carrots, frozen peas, onions and potatoes. Okish but not my
preferred diet for raising children. Unfortunately the drought looks like
making things worse; sustainable home gardening seems the only answer. DH is
very interested in hydroponic gardening, but that will have to wait until we
get our own place.
On that note, has anyone on this forum tried aquaponics? I saw it on |
Gardening Australia a few months ago, did a follow-up google, and it
seems very interesting (although the literature all posted such a rosy
picture that my "too good to be true" indicator flashed). I would
imagine it would work well once you had sorted out contamination
problems and the balance between the number of fish and the biomass of
veggies needed to clean the fish-water of fishpoo and wasted feed. I
also had ethical queries about what to feed the fish.
Tish |
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meeee
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Cucumbers and beans in Melbourne |
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"Tish" <spockyphone@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:45:24 GMT, "meeee"
pleasespamme@youknowyouwantto.gov.au> wrote:
A 1kg packet of choc biccies is about 3.99 a kilo of apples is 5.99 min.
at
Coles; don't get me started on grapes, bananas, etc. 2 min noodles are
cheap; cooking a dietician approved diet of varied vegies, dairy, healthy
carbs, etc is exxy nowadays; we spend 2-3 hundred a week for us and 2
toddlers and that's mostly fruit veg, and other healthy stuff; when we had
less money and had about half that to spend we just couldn't afford vegies
other than carrots, frozen peas, onions and potatoes. Okish but not my
preferred diet for raising children. Unfortunately the drought looks like
making things worse; sustainable home gardening seems the only answer. DH
is
very interested in hydroponic gardening, but that will have to wait until
we
get our own place.
On that note, has anyone on this forum tried aquaponics? I saw it on
Gardening Australia a few months ago, did a follow-up google, and it
seems very interesting (although the literature all posted such a rosy
picture that my "too good to be true" indicator flashed). I would
imagine it would work well once you had sorted out contamination
problems and the balance between the number of fish and the biomass of
veggies needed to clean the fish-water of fishpoo and wasted feed. I
also had ethical queries about what to feed the fish.
Tish
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Yep, that's the stuff he wants to do. He saw it on GA too, and is mad about
the idea. IIRC the guy was also working on growing his own pnd weed to feed
the fish with, so his setup would be totally organic and self sufficient in
every way. It looked like it would take time to establish, but be worth it
in the end. It's definitely what we want to do. |
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0tterbot
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Cucumbers and beans in Melbourne |
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"Tish" <spockyphone@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:q40dk21liveipm8on0e91n0ukbs9sfp6k2@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On that note, has anyone on this forum tried aquaponics? I saw it on
Gardening Australia a few months ago, did a follow-up google, and it
seems very interesting (although the literature all posted such a rosy
picture that my "too good to be true" indicator flashed). I would
imagine it would work well once you had sorted out contamination
problems and the balance between the number of fish and the biomass of
veggies needed to clean the fish-water of fishpoo and wasted feed.
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i think one would try to replicate what you'd find in a natural pond with
fish. like, the water needs fish poo in it for the whole thing to work,
because that feeds the vegetation that oxygenates the water, (bla bla) so
you have to start out with sufficient levels of poo, and i'd assume that
like nature, it would be self-correcting (even if it corrects in a way you
don't like ;-).
i'd love to (sort-of intend to) try it one day. i don't eat fish though,
which could create a challenge ;-) although the rest of the family do, so no
worries there.
I
| Quote: | also had ethical queries about what to feed the fish.
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what was the nature of your query?
according to one book i read (a permaculture oen actually), you can have
another pond next door for growing the creatures to feed to the fish (which
of course raises the question of what to feed _them_ <g>) speaking quite
ignorantly, it would be better to have a predator cycle working within the
pond itself, maybe. it certainly sounds like it takes some organising.
kylie |
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0tterbot
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Cucumbers and beans in Melbourne |
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"Ms Leebee" <leebeeNOTHINGTOSPAMHERE@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Yep.
I wonder at house with pantries full of chips and bikkies. Yummo
and all that .. but how do they afford it ?!
They are heaps cheaper than fruit and veggies?
Possibly ...
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erm, i don't think they are, although it could get that way i suppose.
but we make bickies etc rather than buying them, so what do i know. i
consider f&v to be "cheap", though.
kylie |
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Terryc
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Cucumbers and beans in Melbourne |
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Terryc wrote:
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If you are a microbiologist, or happy to learn fast, then give it a go.
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You might want to look at the acquaponcics system on the Inventors tonight.
One large garden pond tub.
one water pump
some hydroponic channel, plastic U, gal guttering even?
hydroponic nuttirent.
Some filter
worm farm?
and away you go.
Again, it is a small system, so balances are still critical
Perhaps someone can explain the filtering and how the worm farm actually
worked (I was late turning it on).
You could have a look at the filters (blue balls) they use in pet shops.
Well most of my local ones do. |
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