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funster
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 Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:36 am Post subject: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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My wife dropped off our Ford E-350 at a local shop. They took their
time in getting us the diagnosis on the bad brakes. It ended up being
the master cylinder. I told my wife it would cost about 100 to 150$.
Well, they called in the morning, and they said it would be 433$. $197
for labor and $223 for parts. Is this close to how much the dealership
would charge? They said it was a brand new part, rather than rebuilt.
All this thing is is a casting with some holes drilled in it. This
sucks. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks |
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TeGGeR®
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:36 am Post subject: Re: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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aarcuda69062 <nonelson@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:nonelson-
FB7B7E.18412025102006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com:
| Quote: | In article
1161815723.140837.200180@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"funster" <tomandasha@go.com> wrote:
My wife dropped off our Ford E-350 at a local shop. They took their
time in getting us the diagnosis on the bad brakes. It ended up being
the master cylinder. I told my wife it would cost about 100 to 150$.
Well, they called in the morning, and they said it would be 433$. $197
for labor and $223 for parts. Is this close to how much the dealership
would charge? They said it was a brand new part, rather than rebuilt.
All this thing is is a casting with some holes drilled in it. This
sucks. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks
You came up with the $100-$150 how?
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The way I look at it, he couldn't diagnose or perform this service on his
own, so he's qualified to gripe about it.
Yes, the master cylinder is just a "casting with some holes drilled in it",
but so is an engine block. I do believe I will now make my own engine by
acquiring a chunk of aluminum from MegaMetals and having at her with a hand
drill. And of course it will last one million miles without any sort of
maintenance.
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TeGGeR® |
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Mike Romain
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:36 am Post subject: Re: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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'Rebuilds' have been bored out to make them smooth. They don't sell
oversized seals to match so they either are dead out of the box or wear
out really fast.
Their labor is out to lunch unless it is an older vehicle or lives in
the rust belt, then the labor is likely on the low side. If the
bleeders snap or need heat to remove, the parts and labor can go 'Way'
up really quickly....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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funster wrote:
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My wife dropped off our Ford E-350 at a local shop. They took their
time in getting us the diagnosis on the bad brakes. It ended up being
the master cylinder. I told my wife it would cost about 100 to 150$.
Well, they called in the morning, and they said it would be 433$. $197
for labor and $223 for parts. Is this close to how much the dealership
would charge? They said it was a brand new part, rather than rebuilt.
All this thing is is a casting with some holes drilled in it. This
sucks. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks |
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shiden_kai
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:37 am Post subject: Re: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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funster wrote:
| Quote: | My wife dropped off our Ford E-350 at a local shop. They took their
time in getting us the diagnosis on the bad brakes. It ended up being
the master cylinder. I told my wife it would cost about 100 to 150$.
Well, they called in the morning, and they said it would be 433$.
$197 for labor and $223 for parts. Is this close to how much the
dealership would charge? They said it was a brand new part, rather
than rebuilt. All this thing is is a casting with some holes drilled
in it. This sucks. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks
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If you don't like the price, take your truck out of there. Do it
yourself for 100 bucks...right? I'm sure you'll be able to
figure it out.
Ian |
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aarcuda69062
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:37 am Post subject: Re: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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In article
<1161815723.140837.200180@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"funster" <tomandasha@go.com> wrote:
| Quote: | My wife dropped off our Ford E-350 at a local shop. They took their
time in getting us the diagnosis on the bad brakes. It ended up being
the master cylinder. I told my wife it would cost about 100 to 150$.
Well, they called in the morning, and they said it would be 433$. $197
for labor and $223 for parts. Is this close to how much the dealership
would charge? They said it was a brand new part, rather than rebuilt.
All this thing is is a casting with some holes drilled in it. This
sucks. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks
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You came up with the $100-$150 how? |
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Ad absurdum per aspera
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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What all does the labor include on that vehicle? The whoosh birds were
migrating past my house when you said what year it was, and what
engine, but a lot of parts on a lot of vans are downright unamusing to
get at, compared to the otherwise similar pickup from the same
manufacturer, or to cars on which you may have done this chore in the
past.
How much trouble to hook the actual MC up to the booster -- any
alignment/adjustment quirks in that? Time spent in the Jacques
Cousteau position under the dash? Don't forget bleeding the system,
probably to an extent that constitutes a flush, and hopefully giving it
a thorough inspection and road test afterward.
Parts -- new ones of a quality make are going to cost more than
rebuilt.
Cheers,
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aarcuda69062
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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In article <T_c0h.193931$5R2.17775@pd7urf3no>,
"shiden_kai" <V-L-M@hotma1l.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Comboverfish wrote:
Funny, I was only two hours into my workday when I posted
last -- yet had already booked 6 hours between three jobs. Again you
were right on about how slow work is here. Some people take smoke
breaks whereas I prefer an internet break.
Same here, (prefer the internet break).....plus I usually take
a lot less time off then the smoking maggots. I happen to
be at the end of the shop where they all congregate outside,
so I see them wandering down there every 45 minutes. They
are the same one's that accuse me of "getting all the gravy"!
Imagine that, eh?
6 hrs by 9....that would be nice. I'm quite happy these days
with an average of 10-12 hrs a day over the pay period.
Ian
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Ian, if you saw the flat rate time on Camry ball joints, you'd
die! ;-) |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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I looked to see if I could find a typical price for a new master cylinder at
Napaoline.
They showed only rebuilt units, and they were typically in the range of
$100-250 for trucks.
A new one would likely be considerably more.
If they allowed a flat rate of one hour, then the price you were quoted is
certainly within
reason.
"funster" <tomandasha@go.com> wrote in message
news:1161815723.140837.200180@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | My wife dropped off our Ford E-350 at a local shop. They took their
time in getting us the diagnosis on the bad brakes. It ended up being
the master cylinder. I told my wife it would cost about 100 to 150$.
Well, they called in the morning, and they said it would be 433$. $197
for labor and $223 for parts. Is this close to how much the dealership
would charge? They said it was a brand new part, rather than rebuilt.
All this thing is is a casting with some holes drilled in it. This
sucks. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks
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Neil Nelson
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:17 am Post subject: Re: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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In article
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"Comboverfish" <comboverfish@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | aarcuda69062 wrote:
Ian, if you saw the flat rate time on Camry ball joints, you'd
die! ;-)
I'm not Ian, but...
If I ever see a Camry ball joint fail I might just die. Failure from
accident/impact doesn't count :)
Toyota MDT in MO
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We got real pot holes in Wisconsin... ;-) |
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shiden_kai
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:17 am Post subject: Re: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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aarcuda69062 wrote:
| Quote: | Ian, if you saw the flat rate time on Camry ball joints, you'd
die! ;-)
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Yeah...I wonder about that. According to rumour (which
might well be false, as are most things in this industry), the
import techs seem to be able to make all sorts of extreme
hours. And yet, they get paid 5-6 dollars an hour flat
rate less then we do.
I'm now far more interested in getting a better dollar per
hour, then "hoping" that some shop will be able to
provide me enough good work to make 150 hrs a
pay.
Ian |
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shiden_kai
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:17 am Post subject: Re: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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Comboverfish wrote:
| Quote: | Things aren't always this good... 10-12 hours per day average is a
goal I don't always achieve, but it happens often enough to make
payday one of the better days of the week. You should get a bonus
just for having to work exclusively on GM products ; )
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As I'm sure you well know, hours made in the pay period is
always something bantered about in the shop. Most of it bullshit,
but it does make for a fun day in the shop. There are two things
that techs do that always amuse me......one is to constantly
punch on and off jobs and work orders in order to make their
"hours worked" and "hours flagged" appear to be so far apart
as to make them believe that they are somehow more efficient,
and the other is to show me a 20 hr time ticket, but neglect to
tell me that yesterday the time ticket showed .8 hrs.
Unless there is some sort of efficiency bonus based on your
punch times (I actually had one of those at one dealership),
I could care less when I punch on, and I certainly don't care
about punching off during lunch or breaks. I tend to run as
much time as I possibly can on warranty lines......and wish
other tech's in GM dealerships would do the same. GM will
evaluate these times and over a period of a couple of years,
will start to bring times down or up. Of course, you always
have the tech's who have to be the flat rate "hero", and wreck
it for everyone else. I still remember something that happened
in the 80's. I don't know if you are familiar with the old
"Iron Duke" 2.5 4 cyl engines, but they were in all sorts of
GM cars. One of the few engines that had timing "gears" instead
of sprockets and chains. The crank gear was metal, the cam
gear was fiber. The cam gear would wear out, and the engine
would start sounding like a diesel engine. The service manual
said you had to remove the engine ( FWD cars) and remove
the camshaft and press the gear on and off the camshaft. I
believe the warranty time was somewhere in the neighborhood
of 10 hrs. In our dealership, we did things differently, we
would remove the front cover, drop the subframe and engine
a bit on that side, pull the gear off, tap the camshaft and pull
the new gear on. Took all of about 2.0 hrs. Other dealerships
were doing this too, and eventually word got back to GM, they
came out with a "revised" procedure and cut the time in half.
Still was good money, and we did hundreds of those suckers.
Running more time on warranty is also so much better when
you have to "negotiate" with the shop foreman about how
much time you are going to get on a specific job. I say this
because our shop is actually quite progressive and will give
you more time if you have your punch times in order and your
straight time punches in order. So my favorite trick is to
run extra time on the line.....and then tell my shop foreman
that "yes, I have 4.0 hrs into it, but just give me 3.3 and I'll
be happy".
Anyway, at this point in the game, I'm quite satisfied with
anything over 50 hrs a week. I've had a few pay periods
below 100 hrs recently, and it doesn't impress me. But it
does seem to be picking up again. Now if only we could
get a few more Northstar case half leaks in the door...they
keep you inside out of the cold weather for a day and half.
Ian |
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aarcuda69062
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:17 am Post subject: Re: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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In article <g4x0h.201778$R63.26133@pd7urf1no>,
"shiden_kai" <V-L-M@hotma1l.com> wrote:
| Quote: | aarcuda69062 wrote:
Ian, if you saw the flat rate time on Camry ball joints, you'd
die! ;-)
Yeah...I wonder about that. According to rumour (which
might well be false, as are most things in this industry), the
import techs seem to be able to make all sorts of extreme
hours. And yet, they get paid 5-6 dollars an hour flat
rate less then we do.
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Not sure what the parity between a GM, Ford Chrysler shop is
versus a Toyota, Nissan, Subaru shop.
| Quote: | I'm now far more interested in getting a better dollar per
hour, then "hoping" that some shop will be able to
provide me enough good work to make 150 hrs a
pay.
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I guess that would depend on how badly the ESO is hammering the
help over the efficiency percentages. |
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shiden_kai
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:17 am Post subject: Re: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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TeGGeR® wrote:
| Quote: | On the subject of flat-rates, how does labor billing work if a
customer comes in with something where time is difficult to estimate,
such as a driveability problem?
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We do the same as "fish", but we've had some electrical
stuff that has gotten way out of hand. In those cases, we
prime the customer for a large bill, but the dealership
rarely charges them as much as we actually spend. What
are you going to do? Some guy comes in (actual story) and
he's tried to hook up some trailer wiring harness to something
like an SRX. He ends up frying everything in sight, plus some
modules. They charged him for the parts, but they did not hit
him for all of the 10 hrs that it took to repair the damage.
You just shake your head when you see some of the stuff
that comes in the shop. It's gotten to the point now where
we will simply refuse to look at a driveability/electrical
problem if the customer has gone somewhere else and
had a security system installed, different radio installed, trailer
wiring...etc. The first thing they have to do if they want
warranty repairs done is to go have the system removed
completely. You wouldn't believe what some aftermarket
radio installations will do to the electronics on something
like a loaded Escalade. Everything is "too" integrated these
days, the radio is actually one of the modules on the bus.
Ian |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Did I get ripped off for a brake cylinder job? |
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"Harry Face" <Harryface9105@webtv.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | At least your master cylinder isn't part of a Teeves Antilock brake
system that ended up costing around $1100.00
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Anyone who owns a car with a Teeves in it will not question the practice of
changing out
brake fluid every two years. Mine is in a Reatta. When that cylinder goes,
I will either sell the
car for parts or - if Im in a really good mood - may try to de-Teeve it. |
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