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Frank Fallon
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 Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: 5 Mitutoyo executive's arrested |
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| Quote: | 5 MTI exec's arrested over illegal machine exports to Libya and Iran.
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Yes, sales of calipers and mics have dropped off in the West have dropped
off a bit. I wonder how their sales are in China. |
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Gene Cash
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:10 am Post subject: Re: 5 Mitutoyo executive's arrested |
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Frank Fallon <frank@nospam.net> writes:
"Those centrifuges were for making big strawberry daiquiries! Quaddifi
loves those!"
-gc
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R. Pierce Butler
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:29 am Post subject: Re: 5 Mitutoyo executive's arrested |
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Gene Cash <gcash@cfl.rr.com> wrote in news:mz9ocy0m.fsf@cfl.rr.com:
| Quote: | Frank Fallon <frank@nospam.net> writes:
5 MTI exec's arrested over illegal machine exports to Libya and Iran.
Machines can be used to build nuclear weapons parts.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/28/news/nuke.php
http://mdn.mainichi-
msn.co.jp/national/news/20060825p2a00m0na025000c.html
"Those centrifuges were for making big strawberry daiquiries! Quaddifi
loves those!"
-gc
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While not specificlly stated, the Zippe centrifuge is what they are
referring to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zippe-type_centrifuge |
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Clark Magnuson
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: 5 Mitutoyo executive's arrested |
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At a family reunion on Saturday I over heard a Mitutoyo engineer and my
wife [ another engineer who has just been through export compliance
training at her place of employment] were talking.
They seemed to be focussing on "blacklisted shipping companies".
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For choosing not to fight, one gets subjugation, humiliation, and
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Fred Fowler III
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:18 am Post subject: Re: 5 Mitutoyo executive's arrested |
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:49:13 -0700, Clark Magnuson
<c.magnuson@comcast.net> scribed:
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At a family reunion on Saturday I over heard a Mitutoyo engineer and my
wife [ another engineer who has just been through export compliance
training at her place of employment] were talking.
They seemed to be focussing on "blacklisted shipping companies".
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Seem as much. I think the question is deeper.
If the company systematically designed their software to 'dumb up' for
export to get around MITI and then be able to unlock the code for
enhanced functions and accuracy, it seems a breach on many levels...
Not just a rouge engineer or coder.
I have a feeling that quite a few took hand in this, but that will be
for the Japanese courts to determine.
Best,
Freddie |
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Grant Erwin
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:18 am Post subject: Re: 5 Mitutoyo executive's arrested |
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Fred Fowler III wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:49:13 -0700, Clark Magnuson
c.magnuson@comcast.net> scribed:
At a family reunion on Saturday I over heard a Mitutoyo engineer and my
wife [ another engineer who has just been through export compliance
training at her place of employment] were talking.
They seemed to be focussing on "blacklisted shipping companies".
Seem as much. I think the question is deeper.
If the company systematically designed their software to 'dumb up' for
export to get around MITI and then be able to unlock the code for
enhanced functions and accuracy, it seems a breach on many levels...
Not just a rouge engineer or coder.
I have a feeling that quite a few took hand in this, but that will be
for the Japanese courts to determine.
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I live with a gal whose job it is to document this exact software. The software
is capable of measuring to a precision which would be restricted, but the issue
is that the software was shipped with machines which aren't capable of that
level of precision. So nobody wound up with a machine which can do super-precise
measurement, nobody that wasn't supposed to. No one alleges that anyone did. But
they are very upset that the precision piece of the software wasn't unbundled.
It is now.
The other piece, as I understand it, is that there was some misreporting of
capability at some point somewhere down the line. Mitutoyo itself didn't sell
anthing restricted to someone they shouldn't have, but some shady middleman did.
One interesting thing is that nobody's mentioning how Mitutoyo's stock is being
affected. It isn't - the company is private. The other interesting thing is that
Mitutoyo was started with the intent to raise money to further worldwide
Buddhism. 10% of their profits to this day go to this goal.
I could be wrong, but I think Mitutoyo is getting pretty much of a bad rap on
this one. I think they're a pretty clean, moral company.
Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington |
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Ed Huntress
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:18 am Post subject: Re: 5 Mitutoyo executive's arrested |
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"Clark Magnuson" <c.magnuson@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:44F445D9.90806@comcast.net...
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At a family reunion on Saturday I over heard a Mitutoyo engineer...
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You aren't located around Aurora (Mit's US HQ), are you Clark? I was there
all last week.
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Ed Huntress
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: Re: 5 Mitutoyo executive's arrested |
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"Grant Erwin" <grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote in message
news:12f9t69c80k0hba@corp.supernews.com...
| Quote: | Fred Fowler III wrote:
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:49:13 -0700, Clark Magnuson
c.magnuson@comcast.net> scribed:
At a family reunion on Saturday I over heard a Mitutoyo engineer and my
wife [ another engineer who has just been through export compliance
training at her place of employment] were talking.
They seemed to be focussing on "blacklisted shipping companies".
Seem as much. I think the question is deeper.
If the company systematically designed their software to 'dumb up' for
export to get around MITI and then be able to unlock the code for
enhanced functions and accuracy, it seems a breach on many levels...
Not just a rouge engineer or coder.
I have a feeling that quite a few took hand in this, but that will be
for the Japanese courts to determine.
I live with a gal whose job it is to document this exact software. The
software is capable of measuring to a precision which would be restricted,
but the issue is that the software was shipped with machines which aren't
capable of that level of precision. So nobody wound up with a machine
which can do super-precise measurement, nobody that wasn't supposed to. No
one alleges that anyone did. But they are very upset that the precision
piece of the software wasn't unbundled. It is now.
The other piece, as I understand it, is that there was some misreporting
of capability at some point somewhere down the line. Mitutoyo itself
didn't sell anthing restricted to someone they shouldn't have, but some
shady middleman did.
One interesting thing is that nobody's mentioning how Mitutoyo's stock is
being affected. It isn't - the company is private. The other interesting
thing is that Mitutoyo was started with the intent to raise money to
further worldwide Buddhism. 10% of their profits to this day go to this
goal.
I could be wrong, but I think Mitutoyo is getting pretty much of a bad rap
on this one. I think they're a pretty clean, moral company.
Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington
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They were my client for six or seven years. My own experience is exactly
what you describe: the most principled, moral bunch of executives I ever
met.
But my connection with them ended in the early '90s, so I can't speak for
them now.
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Clark Magnuson
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: Re: 5 Mitutoyo executive's arrested |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
| Quote: | "Clark Magnuson" <c.magnuson@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:44F445D9.90806@comcast.net...
At a family reunion on Saturday I over heard a Mitutoyo engineer...
You aren't located around Aurora (Mit's US HQ), are you Clark? I was there
all last week.
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Ed Jimtress
I was on Bainbridge Island Saturday. |
I rowed from Battle point to the head waters of Fletcher's Bay and back.
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For choosing to fight, one gets the horrors or war, stress, and possibly
death.
For choosing not to fight, one gets subjugation, humiliation, and
possibly death.
Choose your fights carefully. |
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Fred Fowler III
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: 5 Mitutoyo executive's arrested |
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:16:12 -0700, Grant Erwin
<grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> scribed:
| Quote: | Fred Fowler III wrote:
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:49:13 -0700, Clark Magnuson
c.magnuson@comcast.net> scribed:
At a family reunion on Saturday I over heard a Mitutoyo engineer and my
wife [ another engineer who has just been through export compliance
training at her place of employment] were talking.
They seemed to be focussing on "blacklisted shipping companies".
Seem as much. I think the question is deeper.
If the company systematically designed their software to 'dumb up' for
export to get around MITI and then be able to unlock the code for
enhanced functions and accuracy, it seems a breach on many levels...
Not just a rouge engineer or coder.
I have a feeling that quite a few took hand in this, but that will be
for the Japanese courts to determine.
I live with a gal whose job it is to document this exact software. The software
is capable of measuring to a precision which would be restricted, but the issue
is that the software was shipped with machines which aren't capable of that
level of precision. So nobody wound up with a machine which can do super-precise
measurement, nobody that wasn't supposed to. No one alleges that anyone did. But
they are very upset that the precision piece of the software wasn't unbundled.
It is now.
The other piece, as I understand it, is that there was some misreporting of
capability at some point somewhere down the line. Mitutoyo itself didn't sell
anthing restricted to someone they shouldn't have, but some shady middleman did.
One interesting thing is that nobody's mentioning how Mitutoyo's stock is being
affected. It isn't - the company is private. The other interesting thing is that
Mitutoyo was started with the intent to raise money to further worldwide
Buddhism. 10% of their profits to this day go to this goal.
I could be wrong, but I think Mitutoyo is getting pretty much of a bad rap on
this one. I think they're a pretty clean, moral company.
Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington
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Grant:
Could not agree with you more!
We are very close to Mitutoyo, albeit competitors, but they are the
right kind to have. A great group of people and a stand up company. We
deal with them on many levels, both business-wise and personal and
have a very long history with the company.
I agree on the idea that some shady guys steered these exports the way
they did, but also hope there was no "wink" and "nod" from the higher
ground. I reckon it was some bad affiliations that brought this to
light.
As you said, they are a very clean company, great for the industry and
deliver exceptional products to those they service.
Fred |
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