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Joseph Gwinn
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 Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:34 pm Post subject: [OT] Hezbollah Didn't Win -- Arab writers are beginning to l |
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It was inevitable that people in Lebanon would soon ask if this
"victory" was really worth the devastation of half of Lebanon.
Especially people who had no desire to go to war in the first place.
When this started, I was surprised by how much damage was being done to
Lebanon, compared to previous times Israel had crashed into Lebanon. My
theory was and is that Israel is telling Hezbollah that while there is
nothing Israel can do to directly prevent the incursions and missile
attacks, what Israel can do is make such actions *very* expensive.
<http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008847>
The Wall Street Journal, Friday, August 25, 2006, page A14.
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Nick Müller
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: [OT] Political crap here. As always |
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Joseph Gwinn <JoeGwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | When this started, I was surprised by how much damage was being done to ...
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.... this group.
Can't you keep your political thoughts or post them where they belong
to?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: [OT] Political crap here. As always |
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Nick Müller <muellernick@gmx.de> wrote in article
<1hkseyq.1enxr5s1utg6fsN%muellernick@gmx.de>...
| Quote: | Joseph Gwinn <JoeGwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
When this started, I was surprised by how much damage was being done to
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... this group.
Can't you keep your political thoughts or post them where they belong
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Are you so lame and mentally weak that you cannot simply ignore or resist
opening a post that is clearly marked "[OT]" ?
Or are you just the latest in a string of self-appointed net cops? |
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Nick Müller
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: [OT] Political crap here. As always |
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* <nospam@this.addy.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Are you so lame and mentally weak that you cannot simply ignore or resist
opening a post that is clearly marked "[OT]" ?
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Neither nor.
But I think it needs some brain damage to realize that something is
Off-Topic and still post it here. Why not select the propper group and
communicate with a lot of people really interested in the subject?
Here, you will only find "lamers" or "mental weak ones" interested in
metalworking.
Ever tried to read the charta for this group?
Nick
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Don Bruder
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: [OT] Hezbollah Didn't Win -- Arab writers are beginning |
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In article <JoeGwinn-7D1975.09345428082006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Joseph Gwinn <JoeGwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | It was inevitable that people in Lebanon would soon ask if this
"victory" was really worth the devastation of half of Lebanon.
Especially people who had no desire to go to war in the first place.
When this started, I was surprised by how much damage was being done to
Lebanon, compared to previous times Israel had crashed into Lebanon. My
theory was and is that Israel is telling Hezbollah that while there is
nothing Israel can do to directly prevent the incursions and missile
attacks, what Israel can do is make such actions *very* expensive.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008847
The Wall Street Journal, Friday, August 25, 2006, page A14.
Joe Gwinn
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Which is exactly how it should be - Launch a missile at us (us being a
generic - not just Israel), will ya? OK, that's fine. Just be aware that
for every single missile you launch at us, regardless of casualties it
inflicts, you can expect to have an entire city leveled and its
inhabitants massacred, right down to the last man, woman, child, and
camel. Don't like that arrangement? Then don't launch any missiles. Real
simple, isn't it? Y'see, if you can throw stuff at us without giving a
*** about who or what gets hit, we can respond in kind. Only trouble
is, we're not just going to respond in kind, but with deliberate
scorched-earth overkill. Think Sherman's March through Georgia during
the US civil war. You're welcome to keep doing what you're doing, so
long as you realize that for every one of us that gets killed/injured,
you're going to have thousands of yours killed, their homes leveled, and
their fields plowed with salt. How many of you are going to be launching
missiles when there's nothing left of your county but a bunch of smoking
craters, mass graves, and sterile ground?
Care to reconsider those missiles, guys?
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Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist,
or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info |
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dcaster@krl.org
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Political crap here. As always |
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I don't mind OT threads that are posted only to rcm by someone who does
some On Topic posting. But really dislike threads that are cross
posted to RCM by someone who has never posted anything on topic to rcm.
So I made a suggestion to Google that they add a filter to their groups
software that would let one filter out threads that are cross posted.
Well maybe it could be made to let threads cross posted to some groups
through, as those threads cross posted to sejw.
Now I know that many of you use a news group reader and don't use
Google, but if you could take the time to add your thoughts to Google
about this idea, they might seriously consider it. And if Google
implemented this, it might reduce the number of threads that are cross
posted. Who knows other news group software might also add this as a
feature if they don't already have such a filter.
This is not a perfect solution, but it would improve the signal to
noise ratio. Consider what it would be like if Gunner and Cliff no
longer cross posted and all the OT threads only had messages posted by
those that read rcm for on topic threads.
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Gunner
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: [OT] Hezbollah Didn't Win -- Arab writers are beginning |
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:34:54 -0400, Joseph Gwinn <JoeGwinn@comcast.net>
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| Quote: | It was inevitable that people in Lebanon would soon ask if this
"victory" was really worth the devastation of half of Lebanon.
Especially people who had no desire to go to war in the first place.
When this started, I was surprised by how much damage was being done to
Lebanon, compared to previous times Israel had crashed into Lebanon. My
theory was and is that Israel is telling Hezbollah that while there is
nothing Israel can do to directly prevent the incursions and missile
attacks, what Israel can do is make such actions *very* expensive.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008847
The Wall Street Journal, Friday, August 25, 2006, page A14.
Joe Gwinn
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Because They Hate us Date: Sunday, August 27, 2006 2:57 PM
[Editor's Note: Below are excerpts from Brigitte Gabriel's
speech delivered at the Intelligence Summit in Washington DC,
Saturday February 18, 2006.
We gather here today to share information and knowledge.
Intelligence is not merely cold hard data about numerical
strength or armament or disposition of military forces. The most
important element of intelligence has to be understanding the
mindset and intention of the enemy. The West has been wallowing
in a state of ignorance and denial for thirty years as Muslim
extremists perpetrated evil against innocent victims in the name
of Allah.
I was ten years old when my home exploded around me, burying
me under the rubble and leaving me to drink my blood to survive,
as the perpetrators shouted "Allah Akbar!" My only crime was
that I was a Christian living in a Christian town. At 10 years
old, I learned the meaning of the word "infidel."
I had a crash course in survival. Not in the Girl Scouts,
but in a bomb shelter where I lived for seven years in pitch
darkness, freezing cold, drinking stale water and eating grass
to live. At the age of 13 I dressed in my burial clothes going
to bed at night, waiting to be slaughtered. By the age of 20, I
had buried most of my friends--killed by Muslims. We were not
Americans living in New York , or Britons in London. We were
Arab Christians living in Lebanon.
As a victim of Islamic terror, I was amazed when I saw
Americans waking up on September 12, 2001, and asking themselves
"Why do they hate us?" The psychoanalyst experts were coming up
with all sorts of excuses as to what we did to offend the Muslim
World. But if America and the West were paying attention to the
Middle East they would not have had to ask the question. Simply
put, they hate us because we are defined in their eyes by one
simple word: "infidels."
Under the banner of Islam "la, ilaha illa allah, muhammad
rasoulu allah," (None is god except Allah; Muhammad is the
Messenger of Allah) they murdered Jewish children in Israel,
massacred Christians in Lebanon, killed Copts in Egypt,
Assyrians in Syria, Hindus in India, and expelled almost 900,000
Jews from Muslim lands. We Middle Eastern infidels paid the
price then. Now infidels worldwide are paying the price for
indifference and shortsightedness.
Tolerating evil is a crime. Appeasing murderers doesn't buy
protection. It earns one disrespect and loathing in the enemy's
eyes. Yet, apathy is the weapon by which the West is committing
suicide. Political correctness forms the shackles around our
ankles, by which Islamists are leading us to our demise.
America and the West are doomed to failure in this war
unless they stand up and identify the real enemy: Islam. You
hear about Wahabbi and Salafi Islam as the only extreme form of
Islam. All the other Muslims, supposedly, are wonderful
moderates. Closer to the truth are the pictures of the
irrational eruption of violence in reaction to the cartoons of
Mohammed printed by a Danish newspaper. From burning embassies,
to calls to butcher those who mock Islam, to warnings that the
West be prepared for another holocaust, those pictures have
given us a glimpse into the real face of the enemy. News
pictures and video of these events represent a canvas of hate
decorated by different nationalities who share one common
ideology of hate, bigotry and intolerance derived from one
source: authentic Islam. An Islam that is awakening from
centuries of slumber to re-ignite its wrath against the infidel
and dominate the world. An Islam which has declared "Intifada"
on the West.
America and the West can no longer afford to lay in their
lazy state of overweight ignorance. The consequences of this
mental disease are starting to attack the body, and if they
don't take the necessary steps now to control it, death will be
knocking soon. If you want to understand the nature of the enemy
we face, visualize a tapestry of snakes. They slither and they
hiss, and they would eat each other alive, but they will unite
in a hideous mass to achieve their common goal of imposing Islam
on the world.
This is the ugly face of the enemy we are fighting. We are
fighting a powerful ideology that is capable of altering basic
human instincts. An ideology that can turn a mother into a
launching pad of death. A perfect example is a recently elected
Hamas official in the Palestinian Territories who raves in
heavenly joy about sending her three sons to death and offering
the ones who are still alive for the cause. It is an ideology
that is capable of offering highly educated individuals such as
doctors and lawyers far more joy in attaining death than any
respect and stature, life in society is ever capable of giving
them.
The United States has been a prime target for radical
Islamic hatred and terror. Every Friday, mosques in the Middle
East ring with shrill prayers and monotonous chants calling
death, destruction and damnation down on America and its people.
The radical Islamists' deeds have been as vile as their words.
Since the Iran hostage crisis, more than three thousand
Americans have died in a terror campaign almost unprecedented in
its calculated cruelty along with thousands of other citizens
worldwide. Even the Nazis did not turn their own children into
human bombs, and then rejoice at their deaths as well the deaths
of their victims. This intentional, indiscriminate and wholesale
murder of innocent American citizens is justified and glorified
in the name of Islam.
America cannot effectively defend itself in this war unless
and until the American people understand the nature of the enemy
that we face. Even after 9/11 there are those who say that we
must "engage" our terrorist enemies, that we must "address their
grievances". Their grievance is our freedom of religion. Their
grievance is our freedom of speech. Their grievance is our
democratic process where the rule of law comes from the voices
of many not that of just one prophet. It is the respect we
instill in our children towards all religions. It is the
equality we grant each other as human beings sharing a planet
and striving to make the world a better place for all humanity.
Their grievance is the kindness and respect a man shows a woman,
the justice we practice as equals under the law, and the mercy
we grant our enemy. Their grievance cannot be answered by an
apology for who or what we are.
Our mediocre attitude of not confronting Islamic forces of
bigotry and hatred wherever they raised their ugly head in the
last 30 years, has empowered and strengthened our enemy to
launch a full scale attack on the very freedoms we cherish in
their effort to impose their values and way of life on our
civilization.
If we don't wake up and challenge our Muslim community to
take action against the terrorists within it, if we don't
believe in ourselves as Americans and in the standards we should
hold every patriotic American to, we are going to pay a price
for our delusion. For the sake of our children and our country,
we must wake up and take action. In the face of a torrent of
hateful invective and terrorist murder, America's learning curve
since the Iran hostage crisis is so shallow that it is almost
flat. The longer we lay supine, the more difficult it will be to
stand erect. Brigitte Gabriel
<http://americancongressfortruth.com/>http://americancongressfortruth.com/
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/gabriel.asp
"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist |
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Gunner
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: [OT] Political crap here. As always |
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:33:42 -0500, "*" <nospam@this.addy.com> wrote:
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Nick Müller <muellernick@gmx.de> wrote in article
1hkseyq.1enxr5s1utg6fsN%muellernick@gmx.de>...
Joseph Gwinn <JoeGwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
When this started, I was surprised by how much damage was being done to
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... this group.
Can't you keep your political thoughts or post them where they belong
to?
Are you so lame and mentally weak that you cannot simply ignore or resist
opening a post that is clearly marked "[OT]" ?
Or are you just the latest in a string of self-appointed net cops?
I think we can safely say..Net Nazi. |
Im curious as to how old Nick is. Was he a direct player..or the love
child of a Russian Commissar with chocolate and sausage in his ruck?
No matter..he runs true to form.
Gunner Asch
"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist |
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Gunner
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Political crap here. As always |
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On 28 Aug 2006 08:32:39 -0700, "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org>
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I don't mind OT threads that are posted only to rcm by someone who does
some On Topic posting. But really dislike threads that are cross
posted to RCM by someone who has never posted anything on topic to rcm.
So I made a suggestion to Google that they add a filter to their groups
software that would let one filter out threads that are cross posted.
Well maybe it could be made to let threads cross posted to some groups
through, as those threads cross posted to sejw.
Now I know that many of you use a news group reader and don't use
Google, but if you could take the time to add your thoughts to Google
about this idea, they might seriously consider it. And if Google
implemented this, it might reduce the number of threads that are cross
posted. Who knows other news group software might also add this as a
feature if they don't already have such a filter.
This is not a perfect solution, but it would improve the signal to
noise ratio. Consider what it would be like if Gunner and Cliff no
longer cross posted and all the OT threads only had messages posted by
those that read rcm for on topic threads.
Dan
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Before you lump me in with that hideous waste of perfectly good skin
grafts..I strongly suggest you review my posting history for say..the
last year or more and provide me with a list of OT cross posts I
initiated. I think you will be a bit surprised a how few if any Ive
started.
Responded to..yes indeed.
Gunner
"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist |
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jim rozen
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: Political crap here. As always |
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In article <7166f2dtv4ihroo8bcdq1f6qo97bgeb016@4ax.com>, Gunner says...
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Before you lump me in with that hideous waste of perfectly good skin
grafts..I strongly suggest you review my posting history for say..the
last year or more and provide me with a list of OT cross posts I
initiated. I think you will be a bit surprised a how few if any Ive
started.
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True, but you still have your newsreader software configured to
*continue* crossposts. If you took the single step to make it
respond *only* to the first NG on the list, it really would
cut down the noise.
Jim
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jim rozen
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: [OT] Hezbollah won |
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In article <JoeGwinn-7D1975.09345428082006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, Joseph
Gwinn says...
Actually they *did* win. All they had to do was survive, by doing
so they've legitimized themselves. They won.
Jim
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Jim Stewart
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Political crap here. As always |
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jim rozen wrote:
| Quote: | In article <7166f2dtv4ihroo8bcdq1f6qo97bgeb016@4ax.com>, Gunner says...
Before you lump me in with that hideous waste of perfectly good skin
grafts..I strongly suggest you review my posting history for say..the
last year or more and provide me with a list of OT cross posts I
initiated. I think you will be a bit surprised a how few if any Ive
started.
True, but you still have your newsreader software configured to
*continue* crossposts. If you took the single step to make it
respond *only* to the first NG on the list, it really would
cut down the noise.
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Can Mozilla be configured that way? I
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Nick Müller
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:08 am Post subject: Re: [OT] Political crap here. As always |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
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Hohoho!
YOU call me Nazi? Who is flooding the group with political crap,
nonsense, OT stuff? Me? Or you, the Nazi?
There is an "r" missing. Your real name is Gunner Arsch.
Nick
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Gunner
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:18 am Post subject: Re: Political crap here. As always |
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On 28 Aug 2006 10:25:27 -0700, jim rozen <jim_member@newsguy.com>
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| Quote: | In article <7166f2dtv4ihroo8bcdq1f6qo97bgeb016@4ax.com>, Gunner says...
Before you lump me in with that hideous waste of perfectly good skin
grafts..I strongly suggest you review my posting history for say..the
last year or more and provide me with a list of OT cross posts I
initiated. I think you will be a bit surprised a how few if any Ive
started.
True, but you still have your newsreader software configured to
*continue* crossposts. If you took the single step to make it
respond *only* to the first NG on the list, it really would
cut down the noise.
Jim
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Btw...I notice your posts in other newsgroups. Fascinating
Gunner
"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist |
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Gunner
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:21 am Post subject: Re: [OT] Hezbollah won |
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On 28 Aug 2006 10:27:17 -0700, jim rozen <jim_member@newsguy.com>
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| Quote: | In article <JoeGwinn-7D1975.09345428082006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, Joseph
Gwinn says...
Actually they *did* win. All they had to do was survive, by doing
so they've legitimized themselves. They won.
Jim
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Question..think the Israelis set out to utterly destroy Hezbollah?
Now be honest.
Gunner
"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist |
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