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Grant Erwin
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 Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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Yesterday I grilled a 28 pound king salmon and fed a couple of dozen people
dinner. Although we have a significant home orchard (7 trees) and large organic
garden, all of which attract a large number of yellowjacket wasps, we had no
significant number of wasps at the barbecue, a sharp difference from previous
occasions. I'm posting what we did to avoid having the unwelcome visitors to our
dinner party.
There are a lot of wasps who live in nests under the eaves of my house. I could
kill them, but the last time I did that in a week my plum trees were covered
with aphids and the light dawned: there is a link between wasps and aphids. More
wasps = fewer aphids. I did a little research and found that yellowjacket wasps
are carnivorous. They eat bugs voraciously. Now I encourage them in my yard and
garden, and although the aphids and other pests multiply furiously the wasps
(and ladybugs, and green lacewings) eat enough of them so they don't interfere
with the fruit production. This means I have to spray much less and can use much
milder chemicals (I use soap) when I do spray. I have little fear of
yellowjackets, because I live and work around them and if I don't bother them,
they don't bother me.
But I didn't want my guests to freak out, either. I was fortunate to have a
friend who is a commercial salmon fisherman in Alaska fly me down a beautiful
big whole king salmon. I filleted it, which left me with two nice fillets and a
salmon carcass. About 1PM on a hot day, I put the salmon carcass, tail, fins,
everything on a board and put it out in the sun just outside my yard where I
knew the wasps would find it. They swarmed over the carcass all day, gorging on
the rich food, and by dinnertime they were stuffed and sleepy and left the
dinner party almost entirely alone.
I was delighted that my idea worked so well. Most of my guests, like most
Americans, are very fearful of yellowjackets and they spent a comfortable 4
hours in my yard without knowing they were within a few feet of many hundreds of
them. I believe this method would work at nearly any yard barbecue or dinner
party. What a freedom, not having guests swatting at wasps!
Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington |
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knowone
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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If you swat most 'stingers', they will swat you back. Live and let live is
the key.
"Grant Erwin" <grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote in message
news:44F256EE.3080604@NOSPAMkirkland.net...
| Quote: | Yesterday I grilled a 28 pound king salmon and fed a couple of dozen
people dinner. Although we have a significant home orchard (7 trees) and
large organic garden, all of which attract a large number of yellowjacket
wasps, we had no significant number of wasps at the barbecue, a sharp
difference from previous occasions. I'm posting what we did to avoid
having the unwelcome visitors to our dinner party.
There are a lot of wasps who live in nests under the eaves of my house. I
could kill them, but the last time I did that in a week my plum trees were
covered with aphids and the light dawned: there is a link between wasps
and aphids. More wasps = fewer aphids. I did a little research and found
that yellowjacket wasps are carnivorous. They eat bugs voraciously. Now I
encourage them in my yard and garden, and although the aphids and other
pests multiply furiously the wasps (and ladybugs, and green lacewings) eat
enough of them so they don't interfere with the fruit production. This
means I have to spray much less and can use much milder chemicals (I use
soap) when I do spray. I have little fear of yellowjackets, because I live
and work around them and if I don't bother them, they don't bother me.
But I didn't want my guests to freak out, either. I was fortunate to have
a friend who is a commercial salmon fisherman in Alaska fly me down a
beautiful big whole king salmon. I filleted it, which left me with two
nice fillets and a salmon carcass. About 1PM on a hot day, I put the
salmon carcass, tail, fins, everything on a board and put it out in the
sun just outside my yard where I knew the wasps would find it. They
swarmed over the carcass all day, gorging on the rich food, and by
dinnertime they were stuffed and sleepy and left the dinner party almost
entirely alone.
I was delighted that my idea worked so well. Most of my guests, like most
Americans, are very fearful of yellowjackets and they spent a comfortable
4 hours in my yard without knowing they were within a few feet of many
hundreds of them. I believe this method would work at nearly any yard
barbecue or dinner party. What a freedom, not having guests swatting at
wasps!
Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington |
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JR North
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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Unfortunate, but true. Yellowjackets are not, as most people think,
mindlessly aggressive and will sting with no warning or provocation. In
fact, unless you swat at them and piss them off, or kill one of them in
the presence of others, they are no more interested in humans than they
are in a nearby fence post. At any gathering where food is present, all
they are interested in is eating, just like the people. Sure, they will
come up to you, wiggle their feelers at you and maybe sniff a little,
but as soon as they decide you are too big to take back to the nest or
eat on the spot, they will move on. Of course, it takes a certain nerve
to ignore the buzz of a yellowjacket as it evaluates you, but that's all
you have to do. At hot dog stands in summer, yellowjackets are almost
always present, inspecting the ketchup and mustard bottles. I have
counseled frightened children not to fear them and leave them alone.
They do so, hesitatingly, and the wasps and kids get along fine.
Fearing honey bees, bumble bees and yellow wasps is totally
unreasonable. None will sacrifice it's life unnecessarily, which it does
when it stings. Unless it or it's nest is threatened, they will not
attack. Of course, it's THEIR opinion of whether or not they are being
threatened that matters. This does not apply to Africanized honey bees,
or any situation where you inadvertently threaten them, such as stepping
on a yellowjacket nest under a board on the ground, step on a bumble bee
on the ground, pick up a pop cup that happens to have a yellowjacket
inspecting the lip, or get one caught in your collar.
JR
Dweller in the cellar
Grant Erwin wrote:
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I was delighted that my idea worked so well. Most of my guests, like
most Americans, are very fearful of yellowjackets and they spent a
comfortable 4 hours in my yard without knowing they were within a few
feet of many hundreds of them. I believe this method would work at
nearly any yard barbecue or dinner party. What a freedom, not having
guests swatting at wasps!
Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington
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John
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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Grant Erwin wrote:
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Yesterday I grilled a 28 pound king salmon and fed a couple of dozen people
dinner. Although we have a significant home orchard (7 trees) and large organic
garden, all of which attract a large number of yellowjacket wasps, we had no
significant number of wasps at the barbecue, a sharp difference from previous
occasions. I'm posting what we did to avoid having the unwelcome visitors to our
dinner party.
There are a lot of wasps who live in nests under the eaves of my house. I could
kill them, but the last time I did that in a week my plum trees were covered
with aphids and the light dawned: there is a link between wasps and aphids. More
wasps = fewer aphids. I did a little research and found that yellowjacket wasps
are carnivorous. They eat bugs voraciously. Now I encourage them in my yard and
garden, and although the aphids and other pests multiply furiously the wasps
(and ladybugs, and green lacewings) eat enough of them so they don't interfere
with the fruit production. This means I have to spray much less and can use much
milder chemicals (I use soap) when I do spray. I have little fear of
yellowjackets, because I live and work around them and if I don't bother them,
they don't bother me.
But I didn't want my guests to freak out, either. I was fortunate to have a
friend who is a commercial salmon fisherman in Alaska fly me down a beautiful
big whole king salmon. I filleted it, which left me with two nice fillets and a
salmon carcass. About 1PM on a hot day, I put the salmon carcass, tail, fins,
everything on a board and put it out in the sun just outside my yard where I
knew the wasps would find it. They swarmed over the carcass all day, gorging on
the rich food, and by dinnertime they were stuffed and sleepy and left the
dinner party almost entirely alone.
I was delighted that my idea worked so well. Most of my guests, like most
Americans, are very fearful of yellowjackets and they spent a comfortable 4
hours in my yard without knowing they were within a few feet of many hundreds of
them. I believe this method would work at nearly any yard barbecue or dinner
party. What a freedom, not having guests swatting at wasps!
Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington
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Wait till tomorrow when they come for more..... they will be looking
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Don Bruder
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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In article <H9KdnbtcHOcB-m_ZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@seanet.com>,
JR North <jasonrnorth@bigfoot.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Unfortunate, but true. Yellowjackets are not, as most people think,
mindlessly aggressive and will sting with no warning or provocation. In
fact, unless you swat at them and piss them off, or kill one of them in
the presence of others, they are no more interested in humans than they
are in a nearby fence post. At any gathering where food is present, all
they are interested in is eating, just like the people. Sure, they will
come up to you, wiggle their feelers at you and maybe sniff a little,
but as soon as they decide you are too big to take back to the nest or
eat on the spot, they will move on. Of course, it takes a certain nerve
to ignore the buzz of a yellowjacket as it evaluates you, but that's all
you have to do. At hot dog stands in summer, yellowjackets are almost
always present, inspecting the ketchup and mustard bottles. I have
counseled frightened children not to fear them and leave them alone.
They do so, hesitatingly, and the wasps and kids get along fine.
Fearing honey bees, bumble bees and yellow wasps is totally
unreasonable. None will sacrifice it's life unnecessarily, which it does
when it stings. Unless it or it's nest is threatened, they will not
attack. Of course, it's THEIR opinion of whether or not they are being
threatened that matters. This does not apply to Africanized honey bees,
or any situation where you inadvertently threaten them, such as stepping
on a yellowjacket nest under a board on the ground, step on a bumble bee
on the ground, pick up a pop cup that happens to have a yellowjacket
inspecting the lip, or get one caught in your collar.
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Aye to most of that -
'cept the statement about the Africanized bees - Even *THEY* only sting
in defense, although when it comes to the nest, they've got a
considerably broader, and longer-range, concept of what constitutes an
attack than "regular" honeybees. When they're out foraging (not close
enough to the nest, and scattered, rather than near the nest and "high
density") they behave *EXACTLY* like any other honeybee, not stinging
unless molested. It's only when near the nest and in large numbers that
they become a serious worry. They've been known to pursue for a quarter
mile, but most attacks I've heard any details about have begun within 50
feet of the nest - where "normal" honeybees wouldn't be attacking until
about 20-25 feet or even less(1) if approached "politely", and don't
usually pursue beyond a hundred yards or so if a sting-fest gets going.
(1) "Or even less" can include my own experience - that of disassembling
and inspecting fully populated (caveat: and well known to me - don't try
this with a randomly picked beehive and little experience in bee
handling, boys and girls!) hives in jeans and a T-shirt. It's just a
matter of taking the time to be nice and easy with 'em. Don't make 'em
feel threatened, and they won't sting. It's really as simple as that.
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ED
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:04 am Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:48:37 -0700, JR North <jasonrnorth@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
One summer day I was traveling in a pickup with my uncle.
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60 mph on a old gravel road and bam he locks up the brakes, skids to
a stop in a cloud of dust and out the door he flys and went a stomping
around like a mad man doing a mexican hat dance, slapping his leg.
He pulls up his pant leg and shows a row of welts the length of his
calf and says it must of been a yellowjacket. *** I tried not to
bust out laughing and get my ass whipped but wow, that was some
show. He gets back in and away we go back down the road.
Well that little sucker was down in his boot and sure enough
it crawls up and has another go----this time he's a wackin his
leg, swerving and locked up all at the same time. He bails out and
pulls of his boot and there is was-- dead this time.. *** thing
musta stung him at least twenty times. I still laugh everytime I
remember that day...
Ever been swarmed by yellowjackets a horseback? I have.
Lucky to be alive to tell the story........
ED
| Quote: | Unfortunate, but true. Yellowjackets are not, as most people think,
mindlessly aggressive and will sting with no warning or provocation. In
fact, unless you swat at them and piss them off, or kill one of them in
the presence of others, they are no more interested in humans than they
are in a nearby fence post. At any gathering where food is present, all
they are interested in is eating, just like the people. Sure, they will
come up to you, wiggle their feelers at you and maybe sniff a little,
but as soon as they decide you are too big to take back to the nest or
eat on the spot, they will move on. Of course, it takes a certain nerve
to ignore the buzz of a yellowjacket as it evaluates you, but that's all
you have to do. At hot dog stands in summer, yellowjackets are almost
always present, inspecting the ketchup and mustard bottles. I have
counseled frightened children not to fear them and leave them alone.
They do so, hesitatingly, and the wasps and kids get along fine.
Fearing honey bees, bumble bees and yellow wasps is totally
unreasonable. None will sacrifice it's life unnecessarily, which it does
when it stings. Unless it or it's nest is threatened, they will not
attack. Of course, it's THEIR opinion of whether or not they are being
threatened that matters. This does not apply to Africanized honey bees,
or any situation where you inadvertently threaten them, such as stepping
on a yellowjacket nest under a board on the ground, step on a bumble bee
on the ground, pick up a pop cup that happens to have a yellowjacket
inspecting the lip, or get one caught in your collar.
JR
Dweller in the cellar
Grant Erwin wrote:
I was delighted that my idea worked so well. Most of my guests, like
most Americans, are very fearful of yellowjackets and they spent a
comfortable 4 hours in my yard without knowing they were within a few
feet of many hundreds of them. I believe this method would work at
nearly any yard barbecue or dinner party. What a freedom, not having
guests swatting at wasps!
Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington
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Gunner312
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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Grant,
I've been trying to contact you but don't have a good email address
anymore. email me?
confusedly,
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Gunner
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:48:37 -0700, JR North <jasonrnorth@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Unfortunate, but true. Yellowjackets are not, as most people think,
mindlessly aggressive and will sting with no warning or provocation. In
fact, unless you swat at them and piss them off, or kill one of them in
the presence of others, they are no more interested in humans than they
are in a nearby fence post. At any gathering where food is present, all
they are interested in is eating, just like the people. Sure, they will
come up to you, wiggle their feelers at you and maybe sniff a little,
but as soon as they decide you are too big to take back to the nest or
eat on the spot, they will move on. Of course, it takes a certain nerve
to ignore the buzz of a yellowjacket as it evaluates you, but that's all
you have to do. At hot dog stands in summer, yellowjackets are almost
always present, inspecting the ketchup and mustard bottles. I have
counseled frightened children not to fear them and leave them alone.
They do so, hesitatingly, and the wasps and kids get along fine.
Fearing honey bees, bumble bees and yellow wasps is totally
unreasonable. None will sacrifice it's life unnecessarily, which it does
when it stings. Unless it or it's nest is threatened, they will not
attack. Of course, it's THEIR opinion of whether or not they are being
threatened that matters. This does not apply to Africanized honey bees,
or any situation where you inadvertently threaten them, such as stepping
on a yellowjacket nest under a board on the ground, step on a bumble bee
on the ground, pick up a pop cup that happens to have a yellowjacket
inspecting the lip, or get one caught in your collar.
JR
Dweller in the cellar
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I have grape vines on both sides of the house..so leave the yellow
jackets alone, as they do a good job on both aphids and skeletonizers.
I actually think they are empathic. Many is the time Im working out in
the shop, with them hanging around watching me work for a short while,
then moving on. I think nice things about them and they get sorta
friendly. I have a couple hummingbirds that do the same thing. And
hummingbirds are Nasty bastards.
Gunner
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Grant Erwin wrote:
I was delighted that my idea worked so well. Most of my guests, like
most Americans, are very fearful of yellowjackets and they spent a
comfortable 4 hours in my yard without knowing they were within a few
feet of many hundreds of them. I believe this method would work at
nearly any yard barbecue or dinner party. What a freedom, not having
guests swatting at wasps!
Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington
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As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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JR North <jasonrnorth@bigfoot.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Unfortunate, but true. Yellowjackets are not, as most people think,
mindlessly aggressive and will sting with no warning or provocation. In
fact, unless you swat at them and piss them off, or kill one of them in
the presence of others, they are no more interested in humans than they
are in a nearby fence post.
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I always leave them alone. Once on a bicycle tour (Dalmac) I inhaled a
YJ. While trying to spit the critter out as quick as I could, it
stung me inside the mouth. Drinking from a water bottle after being
stung is a real experience.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I have a couple hummingbirds that do the same thing. And
hummingbirds are Nasty bastards.
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clutch@lycos.com wrote:
| Quote: | Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
I have a couple hummingbirds that do the same thing. And
hummingbirds are Nasty bastards.
How so?
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I've got one here that comes looking for me when the feeder is empty.
He keeps dive bombing me 'till I refill the feeder.
When they go wizzing 2 in. past your head at 100mph, they
get your attention.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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I have a mountain cabin where we have lots of wasps. There is one black and
yellow type that is about an inch and a half long, and just NASTY looking.
But lots of several types of wasps, yellow jackets included.
I bought wasp traps. They look like a plastic Mason jar with a black
pyramid top, and a little yellow tent top over that. They hang up. I got
mine at Ace.
They work the best with apple juice concentrate. That is, apple juice that
is made from concentrate, but with about 3/4 the amount of water you would
normally use. They aren't expensive, and these puppies work. They can be
hung in unobtrusive places. In a day, I have gotten 40 in one trap. I have
six of them, and will probably add another six next season.
BEWARE! Any time you have wasps, they like stuff in cans. As I said, apple
juice will catch the most. They also like: (in order of preference) orange
soda, strawberry soda, beer, root beer, and any citrus flavored drink.
We use "yellow jackets". They are yellow plastic cups that a person puts
over their drink when they sit it down. Each person's name can be put on
it. It usually only takes telling the person what it does for them to use
it. For the thick skulled, getting a wasp in their mouth will do it, too.
I have seen the wasp traps in the gallon size, too. For a handyman, they
would not be hard to make. The bait is the key.
Leave them sit for a couple of days so all the wasps in the trap are dead.
I made the mistake of dumping one in a toilet one time, and two live ones
(angry ones) flew out of the commode at me.
HTH
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Steve B
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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"Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote
I have a couple hummingbirds that do the same thing. And
| Quote: | hummingbirds are Nasty bastards.
Gunner
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Hummingbirds are territorial, and they protect sources of food. The
different species of hummers have different levels of pugnaciousness. The
roufous is about the most feisty in North America. But all of them will try
to dominate an area or a feeder.
They are attracted to red. Anything red. Yes, they do get used to a food
source, and if you remove it or it's empty, they will come around and let
you know.
I photograph hummers. If you stand still, you can put the feeder 6" from
your face and snap close-ups. They are remarkably agile, and I have had
them brush me, but never crash into me.
I have had this scenario in my mind:
Doctor: "Now how is it that this hummingbird became stuck in your
forehead?"
Hummers aren't really nasty. They're all bluff. Except to another hummer.
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Gunner
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:13:17 -0400, clutch@lycos.com wrote:
| Quote: | Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
I have a couple hummingbirds that do the same thing. And
hummingbirds are Nasty bastards.
How so?
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Ever watch hummingbirds? Exceedingly territorial, very "macho". They
fight each other at the drop of a hat. The big ones will chase the small
ones away from the feeders just out of pure orneriness. Ive got
multiple feeders and have watched a big male chase any other male plumb
off the property if they are trying to feed at ANY of his feeders. I had
to put feeders out at the other side of the house, just so other
hummingbirds could feed. The flying time from feeder to feeder slowed
him down some...<G>.
They migrate and every year they will come back. This is the first year
in several that one particular one didnt make it back. Either he got a
better offer or he died somewhere along the route.
If you check the net for hummingbird life span..its all over the place,
from 3-9 yrs according to a host of differing sites. Shrug.
Gunner
"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
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Gunner
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue |
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 06:54:10 -0700, "Gary A. Gorgen"
<tunxis@comcast.net> wrote:
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clutch@lycos.com wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
I have a couple hummingbirds that do the same thing. And
hummingbirds are Nasty bastards.
How so?
I've got one here that comes looking for me when the feeder is empty.
He keeps dive bombing me 'till I refill the feeder.
When they go wizzing 2 in. past your head at 100mph, they
get your attention.
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Ive had one for the last 3 yrs..who I swear is an insomniac. I tend to
work out in my shop (open bay) at night, and one particular one does Air
Racing around the florescent shop lights as late as midnight. I
originally thought it was a bat, the first time he did it..until he
stopped off at one of the feeders. For over an hour at a time, he will
do figure 8s around the length of the shop at full tilt boogie.
Ill be doing some intricate machining or futzing..and feel an odd
breeze, and look up..and one will be 12" away from my face, watching
what Im doing. They dont much like the oil smoke coming off the lathes
though.
Gunner
"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
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