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Tall Oak
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 Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:18 am Post subject: Before I leap, let me ask around! Buying the Grizzly G0478, |
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With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet. General
and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a woodshop for a
hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just can't find anything
wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly products and they haven't failed
me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had poor quality control, I challenged him
on that and he waivered. He just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for $877.
So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
TIA!
Jim H. |
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Tall Oak
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:11 am Post subject: Re: Before I leap, let me ask around! Buying the Grizzly G04 |
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Well Grizz will be sending me someone "local" to contact! So Thanks for
that tip!
Jim
"RonB" <rbrogan@cox.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Raytheon Aircraft - Wichita Ks
"Tall Oak" <Talloak@cripplecreek.com> wrote in message
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Raytheon in Palo Alto by any chance??? I worked with them on Fiber Optics
and the Night Vision stuff!
I will do that! The Hybrid is rather new. Getting the 1023SL is just
wasting a good saw, and the Hybrid is really a trade off. I considered
the Rigid, but way to much plastic, but it will cut 36" and it's own
dolly. I would actually have picked it up, but the fence was a sad fence,
and aftermarket fences would defeat the cost of the Rigid it's main
point! Honestly the solid base of the hybrid simply is cleaner and saves
me the trouble of assembling it.
Thanks!
Jim.
"RonB" <rbrogan@cox.net> wrote in message
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I forgot to mention - If you call Grizzly's service they will provide you
with names and phone# of up to two people in your general area that have
purchased the tool you are considering. I used this service and the
conversations helped me decide. Also gives you a chance to touch the
tool before buying.
Take a look at the catalogue list of companies Griz does business with.
I used to work for Raytheon and their wood modeling and tool shops are
full of Grizzly tools.
RonB
"Tall Oak" <Talloak@cripplecreek.com> wrote in message
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Yeah some folks here just have to run their sucks, with no knowledge or
experience and can't add crap to a conversation. American tools are
crap in Europe and Asian tools are crap in America. I doubt if any
manufacturer could claim 100% USA components, workmanship or assembly.
Basically only the stupid people will bad mouth Grizzly, because they
paid more for less on almost any other product.
I've talked to almost every shop around they all spoke well of the Jet
Powermatic and General when asked about Grizzly they mostly didn't have
any experience with them, but they wouldn't slam it because they had no
experience and the ones who did have some experience simply said that
they are a good quality piece, at a good price. The Tool Sellers all
badmouthed Grizzly even though none owned or would admit owning one
(unlike the first kid, I was an honest seller and when asked a question
gave an honest answer, even if it hurt my sales) They all told me
pretty much the same exact song Poor Quality Control, Poor Service and
they're all the way in PA...(yeah like I'll just pick up the *** saw
and take it to him for repair) I'll ship to him as easily as PA! I
would never have bought Grizzly, didn't even know who they are. When I
finally go a catalog from a friend on a lark I bought a 19 dollar nail
gun, worked great, so in baby steps I bought various products over time
all completely satisfied. Then I got a bandsaw and a sliding router
table etc etc.I couldn't complain one bit and basically am laughing all
the way to the bank.
Thanks, Jim
"RonB" <rbrogan@cox.net> wrote in message
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Jim:
I am not familiar with the G0478 but I have owned a Grizzly 1023S
cabinet saw for about five years and love it. I also own a few other
grizzly sanders and other items. I started my search about six years
ago pretty much predisposed to the Unisaw, based on experience with
20-30 year old machines. I decided on the 1023 base on value, quality
and the high degree of support I received in their Springfield store,
on the phone and during the order/shipment process. I received my saw
36 hours after I placed the internet order.
Many who own Grizzly products feel good about them. Many who don't
will badmouth them - largely based on its off-shore origin. I have a
fully integrated shop (Green, Grey, Beige and Baby-Poop Yellow). If
you buy tools of any of these colors today you'll likely get off-shore
content or total off-shore assembly. I have a 1-1/2 year old
Powermatic 95A jointer that clearly came from the east.
RonB
"Tall Oak" <Talloak@cripplecreek.com> wrote in message
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With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet.
General and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a
woodshop for a hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just
can't find anything wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly
products and they haven't failed me. One sales guy told me Grizzly
had poor quality control, I challenged him on that and he waivered.
He just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for $877.
So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
TIA!
Jim H.
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bf
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Before I leap, let me ask around! Buying the Grizzly G04 |
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Frank Howell wrote:
| Quote: | I don't have it, but one disadvantage with Grizzly is that when you
need a part 7 years down the road, they probably won't have it.
Based on what? Got proof?
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Only ancedotal proof, talking to 2 people with older Grizzly stuff.
Griz discontinued that model and no longer stocks replacement parts. I
didn't ask how easy it is to get replacement parts for stuff that is
still in production.
| Quote: | So how does calling Jet or Delta for replacement parts make Grizzly
deficient in that department? If I call Ford for lost or broken parts, does
that automatically put Yugo in the category of not having parts?
Not saying that you're wrong, but I don't see any evidence that your right.
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The point is that I can call Delta or Jet and get any part I need. Not
always the case with Griz, although maybe my 2 friends are the
exception. I'm not saying Griz is crap, I'm sure it's adequate for a
lot of hobbyist, but you do get something for paying a little more for
a name brand. I'm not a machinery expert, so I don't know if Griz does
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bf
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Before I leap, let me ask around! Buying the Grizzly G04 |
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Tall Oak wrote:
| Quote: | I can speak for Grizzly, simply because I have other pieces of equipment,
and haven't had an issue with parts or service before. So you make a lot of
unfounded fabricated BS statements. See I wasn't looking for your or anyones
validation.
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Yes, you did ask for my opinion. But if you're going to accuse me of
lying, I'm done with this thread. Enjoy your Griz. |
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Lee Michaels
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Before I leap, let me ask around! Buying the Grizzly G04 |
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"bf" <bfordyce@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Frank Howell wrote:
I don't have it, but one disadvantage with Grizzly is that when you
need a part 7 years down the road, they probably won't have it.
Based on what? Got proof?
Only ancedotal proof, talking to 2 people with older Grizzly stuff.
Griz discontinued that model and no longer stocks replacement parts. I
didn't ask how easy it is to get replacement parts for stuff that is
still in production.
So how does calling Jet or Delta for replacement parts make Grizzly
deficient in that department? If I call Ford for lost or broken parts,
does
that automatically put Yugo in the category of not having parts?
Not saying that you're wrong, but I don't see any evidence that your
right.
The point is that I can call Delta or Jet and get any part I need. Not
always the case with Griz, although maybe my 2 friends are the
exception. I'm not saying Griz is crap, I'm sure it's adequate for a
lot of hobbyist, but you do get something for paying a little more for
a name brand. I'm not a machinery expert, so I don't know if Griz does
extra shortcuts in the manufacturing or not.
I have seen Grizzly in a lot of commercial shops and have not heard about |
anybody having problems with parts. Grizzly makes a lot of commercial
equipment as well. This is far heavier than any hobby stuff.
As for Delta. When black and Decker took them over, they declared that the
old policy of stocking parts forever was going to stop. Those old Delta
machines that run forever just won't make them enough money! Don't count on
Delta for parts forever. That was the old Delta. |
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bf
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Before I leap, let me ask around! Buying the Grizzly G04 |
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Lee Michaels wrote:
| Quote: | As for Delta. When black and Decker took them over, they declared that the
old policy of stocking parts forever was going to stop. Those old Delta
machines that run forever just won't make them enough money! Don't count on
Delta for parts forever. That was the old Delta.
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Thanks for that information. I didn't realize the policy change. That
will affect my future buying decsions. And thanks for being cordial,
unlike the OP. |
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Tall Oak
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Before I leap, let me ask around! Buying the Grizzly G04 |
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What Part of "ANY CURRENT OWNERS" did you fail to understand?
"bf" <bfordyce@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tall Oak wrote:
I can speak for Grizzly, simply because I have other pieces of equipment,
and haven't had an issue with parts or service before. So you make a lot
of
unfounded fabricated BS statements. See I wasn't looking for your or
anyones
validation.
Yes, you did ask for my opinion. But if you're going to accuse me of
lying, I'm done with this thread. Enjoy your Griz.
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Tall Oak
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Before I leap, let me ask around! Buying the Grizzly G04 |
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I'm not Cordial? But you on the otherhand feel that making no valid point,
false assumptions, spreading disinformation and simply wasting your time and
other peoples valuable time is (not) a real positive attribute?.. Possibly
you should spend more time giving thought as to the importance of what you
have to add and the accuracy of such.Not a slam on you, but ignorance is
bliss but spreading it is simply "un-cordial". You should reconsider your
options, when you make false assumptions, ""I don't care, I'm buying the
Grizzly".. That sounds a lot like you". Talking out of ones ass, is
Un-Cordial. So it's usually much better to be more reflective and selective
as to what you may reply too, and what you have to ADD, to said discussion..
Now if you had asked questions instead of making false assumptions or
incorrect statements, you might have learned things. You can be as
self-righteous and as cocky as you want, because when your wrong, that's
simply pissing in the wind kid! Don't pout and try not to wet your pants
next time!
Cheers!
"bf" <bfordyce@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Lee Michaels wrote:
As for Delta. When black and Decker took them over, they declared that
the
old policy of stocking parts forever was going to stop. Those old Delta
machines that run forever just won't make them enough money! Don't count
on
Delta for parts forever. That was the old Delta.
Thanks for that information. I didn't realize the policy change. That
will affect my future buying decsions. And thanks for being cordial,
unlike the OP.
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bf
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Before I leap, let me ask around! Buying the Grizzly G04 |
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Tall Oak wrote:
Yeah, this is real cordial .. You said "What Part of "ANY CURRENT
OWNERS" did you fail to understand? " When I relayed my experience in
talking to other Griz owners. Then you or someone else accused me of
spreading BS.
| Quote: | You should reconsider your
options, when you make false assumptions, ""I don't care, I'm buying the
Grizzly".. That sounds a lot like you".
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But that's exactly what happened. You went into all these stores, and
basically said "Talk me out of buying a Grizzley", and then you
expected them to be Grizzley experts. And guess what, I'm right, you
already had you mind made up to buy a Grizzley, you just wanted some
other Griz fans to validate your opinion. You sure jumped on my ass for
daring to relate an experience that I thought might be helpful.
And then, it's comical to take me to task for "wasting your time"..
LOL, your time is so valuable that you can flame me for daring
mentioning that 2 people I've talked to in my life have had problems
getting Griz replacement parts. Guess what, it's not BS. I've moved
around a lot in my life and been in 4 different wood working clubs.
I've talked to a lot of people in this hobby. That doesn't make me an
expert, but I was trying to share some information with you, ***.
Have fun humping your Griz when it arrives. |
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Tall Oak
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Before I leap, let me ask around! Buying the Grizzly G04 |
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That is also a consideration with the Hybrid. 1. It's new and I found it
odd, that no trade publications have reviewed it yet. Everybody waits with
baited breath for a new piece. I did find a good user review on Amazon. Of
all the saws, I liked the General over all of them, and the Jet Super Saw
was pretty neat, but if you weigh all the pro's and con's, Grizzly's price
advantuage. Simply gives you more saw for your money!
BUT it is a table saw this in and of itself, should spell out never needing
to fix. I take excellent care of anything I buy especially my guns and
tools. If I can get 28 years out of most of my tools Circular/ Drills/Sabre
and a 99 dollar table saw. I feel pretty confident that breakage and service
aren't a real big issue, and if it does I can fix it one way or another.
M&A's only work for the Investment Bankers, never the customer or
employee's.This "planned obsolescence,buy and dump" is in EVERYTHING, even
home appliances have all dropped the warranty period. This is the fact that
we have been downgraded from citizens to simply consumers. I owned an RCA
25" color tv for 23 years and gave it to my buddy for his basement, he got a
few years and I think the moisture simply got to it! My First HDTV lasted 2
months past warranty. Duh Extended Warranty What's that? The object is
simply to discover anyway they can think of to get or even take ones money!
just wait until tools get like software and computers. each quarter buy new
tools!
Jim
"RonB" <rbrogan@cox.net> wrote in message
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As for Delta. When black and Decker took them over, they declared that
the old policy of stocking parts forever was going to stop. Those old
Delta machines that run forever just won't make them enough money! Don't
count on Delta for parts forever. That was the old Delta.
Same song Ryobi. I bought one of their 12-1/4' surface planers about 10
years ago. These older machines have a reputation for running and running
and running (not necessarily the newer stuff).
Neat part is I could buy a set of blades for about $14, until a couple of
years ago when they discontinued. When last checked, the aftermarket set
that replaces mine sells for $74. That put it pretty close to a keep or
sell decision until I learned that Delta makes a set that will fit it.
Maybe I had better stock up on the Delta blades.
RonB
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: Re: Before I leap, let me ask around! Buying the Grizzly G04 |
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As for Delta. When black and Decker took them over, they declared that
the old policy of stocking parts forever was going to stop. Those old
Delta machines that run forever just won't make them enough money! Don't
count on Delta for parts forever. That was the old Delta.
Same song Ryobi. I bought one of their 12-1/4' surface planers about 10 |
years ago. These older machines have a reputation for running and running
and running (not necessarily the newer stuff).
Neat part is I could buy a set of blades for about $14, until a couple of
years ago when they discontinued. When last checked, the aftermarket set
that replaces mine sells for $74. That put it pretty close to a keep or
sell decision until I learned that Delta makes a set that will fit it.
Maybe I had better stock up on the Delta blades.
RonB |
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Tall Oak
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: Re: Before I leap, let me ask around! Buying the Grizzly G04 |
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Now your just making me laugh!
"bf" <bfordyce@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Yes, you did ask for my opinion. But if you're going to accuse me of
lying, I'm done with this thread. Enjoy your Griz.
What Part of "ANY CURRENT OWNERS" did you fail to understand?
What Part of Delta being owned by B&D didn't you understand.
Make up all the *** you want kid. Apparently you appear to suffer from
bi-polar disorder....confuse easily and comprehension is batting around zero
.. Have fun humping your cat, though!.....................and throw your
pants in the drier, you just keep pissing on yourself!
"bf" <bfordyce@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tall Oak wrote:
I'm not Cordial?
Yeah, this is real cordial .. You said "What Part of "ANY CURRENT
OWNERS" did you fail to understand? " When I relayed my experience in
talking to other Griz owners. Then you or someone else accused me of
spreading BS.
You should reconsider your
options, when you make false assumptions, ""I don't care, I'm buying the
Grizzly".. That sounds a lot like you".
But that's exactly what happened. You went into all these stores, and
basically said "Talk me out of buying a Grizzley", and then you
expected them to be Grizzley experts. And guess what, I'm right, you
already had you mind made up to buy a Grizzley, you just wanted some
other Griz fans to validate your opinion. You sure jumped on my ass for
daring to relate an experience that I thought might be helpful.
And then, it's comical to take me to task for "wasting your time"..
LOL, your time is so valuable that you can flame me for daring
mentioning that 2 people I've talked to in my life have had problems
getting Griz replacement parts. Guess what, it's not BS. I've moved
around a lot in my life and been in 4 different wood working clubs.
I've talked to a lot of people in this hobby. That doesn't make me an
expert, but I was trying to share some information with you, ***.
Have fun humping your Griz when it arrives.
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