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Oscar_Lives
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:01 am    Post subject: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

How do you keep the painted line straight at the top of the wall next to the
ceiling?

Masking with tape doesn't work for me. Using a shield looked like crap.
Cutting in freehand with a brush is the best I can do and it still looks
bad.

Any tricks?
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kevin
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

The part about not letting wall color up on to the ceiling is
important, I find. Better to let the white from the ceiling white go
just slightly down onto the walls.

Just from experimenting, I find that the same rule is important for
trim around windows, trim along the floor, etc. It has to do with which
color is darker, how the natural or artificial light will hit the area,
etc., I suppose. But in any case, in most of my rooms, letting the wall
paint go slightly onto the trim always looks much better than the
reverse. In other cases, it needs to be the reverse or it looks like
crap.
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dnoyeB
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

Oscar_Lives wrote:
Quote:
How do you keep the painted line straight at the top of the wall next to the
ceiling?

Masking with tape doesn't work for me. Using a shield looked like crap.
Cutting in freehand with a brush is the best I can do and it still looks
bad.

Any tricks?



Wallpaper.

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"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16
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Edwin Pawlowski
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message

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Cutting in freehand with a brush is the best I can do and it still looks
bad.

Any tricks?

Practice.

Always paint the ceiling first.

Next you cut in using a good quality brush. Load the brush and start about
an inch away from the ceiling. As you pull the brush across, you bring it
to the ceiling line and just drag it straight across. As the brush runs
dry, pull it down and away.
Stand high enough on a ladder to get a fairly straight line of sight. When
you've done four or five feet, get down and go to a normal seated spot in
the room and it will look just fine from there. It is also better to be
slightly shy of the ceiling rather than go up on to it as it is less visible
that way.

Practice inside a closet first.
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Ed
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BiloxiBoy
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

And painters who have finally come out of the closet - well,
nevermind.....
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:49:07 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:

Quote:
How do you keep the painted line straight at the top of the wall next to the
ceiling?

Masking with tape doesn't work for me. Using a shield looked like crap.
Cutting in freehand with a brush is the best I can do and it still looks
bad.

Any tricks?

Walls always follow ceiling.

There is a gizmo ... a pad with adjustable wheels .. at the paint
departments of the box stores and probably at most paint stores ...
I'm no fan of the gadgets the Borgs sell ... but this thing works as
long as you keep the wheels adjusted and clean. The trick, my wife
tells me, is to use a brush to paint the pad, then run the pad along
the edge of the ceiling. Works both on polished (read flat drywall)
ceilings and textured.

If your ceiling is stippled or snow tex, one trick is to run a nail
along the edge of the ceiling where it joins the wall. The channel
allows paint to flow up in behind the texture.

The best way is to simply cut it in by hand. The trick ( I am told)
is to do short stretches, load the brush and, using a smooth curving
motion, bring it to just below the ceiling and "push" the paint up to
the ceiling while moving smoothly along.

I say "I am told" ... because I do a lousy job .... you have to do a
lot of paintng to get a steady hand ... and I don't do much painting.

I did do our cabin .... my wife made me white out the edge I'd made
and bring a painter out for the weekend. <grin>

that's the final trick. Have some white ready ... or maybe paint
everything white.

Ken

Those that can, paint; those that can't become contractors. I guess.
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RicodJour
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
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"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message

Cutting in freehand with a brush is the best I can do and it still looks
bad.

Any tricks?

Practice.

Always paint the ceiling first.

Next you cut in using a good quality brush. Load the brush and start about
an inch away from the ceiling. As you pull the brush across, you bring it
to the ceiling line and just drag it straight across. As the brush runs
dry, pull it down and away.
Stand high enough on a ladder to get a fairly straight line of sight. When
you've done four or five feet, get down and go to a normal seated spot in
the room and it will look just fine from there. It is also better to be
slightly shy of the ceiling rather than go up on to it as it is less visible
that way.

Practice inside a closet first.

Good advice and a clear description. I use an angled sash brush for
most of my painting. It holds slightly less paint, but the tip comes
to a point naturally and makes it easier to control the line of paint.
Depending on how heavily the brush is loaded and the viscosity of the
paint (I rarely thin paint and just deal with it as is), I may run the
first brush stroke a 1/4" away from the ceiling line and leave a little
rope of paint. On the next stroke I'll push that rope of paint up to
the ceiling line. I find it easier to lay the paint on with the first
stroke and finesse it into place with the second. One other trick is
to kind of shake your hand a little bit as you draw the paint along the
cut in line. It deposits more paint and fills in any little
imperfections better than if you just drew the brush along.

Eventually you'll find that cutting in is enjoyable (as long as there's
not too much of it).

R
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willshak
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

Oscar_Lives wrote:
Quote:
How do you keep the painted line straight at the top of the wall next to the
ceiling?

Masking with tape doesn't work for me. Using a shield looked like crap.
Cutting in freehand with a brush is the best I can do and it still looks
bad.

Any tricks?

Because of the way the joints between the walls and ceilings are
finished (tape and spackle), there never is an absolutely sharp corner,
so there is usually a paint overlap at the joint, either on the wall or
ceiling. If it bothers you that much, bring the ceiling color down a
bit onto the walls and use a wallpaper border, or just install crown
moulding.

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
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Banty
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

In article <1140582612.042991.301710@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, kevin
says...
Quote:

The part about not letting wall color up on to the ceiling is
important, I find. Better to let the white from the ceiling white go
just slightly down onto the walls.

Just from experimenting, I find that the same rule is important for
trim around windows, trim along the floor, etc. It has to do with which
color is darker, how the natural or artificial light will hit the area,
etc., I suppose. But in any case, in most of my rooms, letting the wall
paint go slightly onto the trim always looks much better than the
reverse. In other cases, it needs to be the reverse or it looks like
crap.


Yes. With the exception of one room where I have painted trim and a textured
wallpaper, I bring the wall color up the sides of the trim pieces onto the trim.
When I did bring the wall paint only up to the trim, the trim color 'shines' a
bit onto the wall next to it. Doesn't look right.

Banty
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hallerb@aol.com
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

I paint all rooms nice brite white, saves energy lightining, makes
rooms appear larger, neutral color matches everything, so we can change
stuff and not clash:( no color joints, all win win win for me. although
my wife isnt fond of white..
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Frank Boettcher
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:49:07 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:

Quote:
How do you keep the painted line straight at the top of the wall next to the
ceiling?

Masking with tape doesn't work for me. Using a shield looked like crap.
Cutting in freehand with a brush is the best I can do and it still looks
bad.

Any tricks?



Professional painters and decorators will tell you that the line is
much more important than the overlap. Most people worry so much about
the overlap that they don't concentrate on the line. For wall to
ceiling stay about 1/8" below the ceiling and just pull a wet,
straight line. You will never "see" the 1/8"

Purdy or Woosters, or equal if you believe there is one, best trim
brush. Expensive but worth it.
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Newfie
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

RicodJour I could not have said it better myself! Lay a layer of paint
on first leaving a little rope of paint and then go back over it. A
paint brush will slide easier on an already wet painted surface than on
a dry surface thus giving you better control.
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Steve B
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
How do you keep the painted line straight at the top of the wall next to
the ceiling?

Masking with tape doesn't work for me. Using a shield looked like crap.
Cutting in freehand with a brush is the best I can do and it still looks
bad.

Any tricks?

Buy a good brush. I like one that is one inch wide with tapered bristles
and an angled head.

When you put the paint on the brush, wipe off the paint that is on the side
of the brush that will go up.

Have your ladder in the right position. This is a trial and error thing.
You will know what it is for YOU when you feel that you are comfortably
pulling the brush in a straight line.

Start a little below the line you want to end up with and stroke slightly
upward to the line you want to make.

A good brush with the right bristles and angle that is properly loaded with
paint will lay down a beautiful line as straight as you are steady.

It just takes practice.

And better is the enemy of good. If you just get it good, leave it alone
and go on. Don't keep trying to make the same spot better because you are
just laying down more paint. Let it go and come back. Look at it from eye
level, and see if you can notice if by looking at it from six feet away. If
you can, try to straighten it. If you can't notice it from a distance,
leave it alone.

Just a few things I learned from doing a lot of wall/ceiling transitions.

Steve
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Suzie-Q
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

In article <TaRKf.571234$084.270708@attbi_s22>,
"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

-> How do you keep the painted line straight at the top of the wall next to the
-> ceiling?
->
-> Masking with tape doesn't work for me. Using a shield looked like crap.
-> Cutting in freehand with a brush is the best I can do and it still looks
-> bad.
->
-> Any tricks?

I found a great little, cheap tool for this exact thing. It's square plastic
with two little wheels on one side. A pad that slides into the plastic holder
holds quite a bit of paint. You fill the pad with paint and run the tool --
wheels to the ceiling -- along the top of the wall. It may take a little
practice to get it right, but it's well worth it. It saved me a lot of time
and frustration. Just make sure you don't get any paint on the little wheels,
and don't put the pad right up to the ceiling right away. Put it on the wall
a little below the ceiling and stroke upwards until the wheels touch the
ceiling.

The thing will only cost you a few dollars at Wal-Mart.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: Painting straight line at top of wall and ceiling? Reply with quote

"Suzie-Q" <sme617x@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:sme617x-4A88CE.12164722022006@news.west.earthlink.net...
Quote:
I found a great little, cheap tool for this exact thing. It's square
plastic
with two little wheels on one side. A pad that slides into the plastic
holder
holds quite a bit of paint. You fill the pad with paint and run the
tool --
wheels to the ceiling -- along the top of the wall.

Junk, IMO.
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