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Doze
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:02 am    Post subject: Yamaha SPX90 Reply with quote

HI,

I have a unit that I just got that doesn't power up. There appears to
be a little bit of brown leakage around the areas of a few of the
capacitors, but removing them from the board shows no damage or area
the leakage could have come from. Testing these on the multimeter, the
ohms increase as they supposedly should into infinity. I have read so
much about the caps going bad on these, especially since it is an older
unit. Any ideas on where to begin checking elsewhere in the power
supply?
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Dave H.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: Yamaha SPX90 Reply with quote

HI Doze,
a lot of manufacturers glob hot-melt glue that goes brown with age
around the larger electrolytic caps to hold 'em to the board before
wave-soldering... if it doesn't power up *at all*, it's more likely to be in
the AC stages of the power supply - have you put a voltmeter on the caps to
see if anything gets that far? If there's no DC on the PSU caps, work back
to the bridge rectifier/diodes and see if there's AC on the transformer
side - if not, is there (mains, dangerous, bites the unwary) AC on the
transformer primary? If so, you may be lucky and find a fuse on the
low-voltage side, conversely the mains transformer may have failed - if the
fuse has blown there's probably a reason - ***DO NOT*** replace with a
higher value, unless you intend discovering where all the
smoke-that-makes-it-work is stored, by making it escape... if the
***correctly rated*** fuse blows, it's time for the schematic and some time
scratching your head, or a trip to a competent tech.

Hope that helps,
Dave H.
(The engineer formerly known as Homeless)


"Doze" wrote ...
Quote:
HI,

I have a unit that I just got that doesn't power up. There appears to
be a little bit of brown leakage around the areas of a few of the
capacitors, but removing them from the board shows no damage or area
the leakage could have come from. Testing these on the multimeter, the
ohms increase as they supposedly should into infinity. I have read so
much about the caps going bad on these, especially since it is an older
unit. Any ideas on where to begin checking elsewhere in the power
supply?
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Gareth Magennis
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: Yamaha SPX90 Reply with quote

"Doze" <ipedigo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138923227.204188.8230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
HI,

I have a unit that I just got that doesn't power up. There appears to
be a little bit of brown leakage around the areas of a few of the
capacitors, but removing them from the board shows no damage or area
the leakage could have come from. Testing these on the multimeter, the
ohms increase as they supposedly should into infinity. I have read so
much about the caps going bad on these, especially since it is an older
unit. Any ideas on where to begin checking elsewhere in the power
supply?



See my reply in rec.audio.pro



Gareth.
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Gareth Magennis
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: Yamaha SPX90 Reply with quote

"Dave H." <hopefuldave_doesn't_eat_spiced_meat@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EdxEf.8740$Y6.2274@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
Quote:
HI Doze,
a lot of manufacturers glob hot-melt glue that goes brown with age
around the larger electrolytic caps to hold 'em to the board before
wave-soldering... if it doesn't power up *at all*, it's more likely to be
in the AC stages of the power supply - have you put a voltmeter on the
caps to see if anything gets that far? If there's no DC on the PSU caps,
work back to the bridge rectifier/diodes and see if there's AC on the
transformer side - if not, is there (mains, dangerous, bites the unwary)
AC on the transformer primary? If so, you may be lucky and find a fuse on
the low-voltage side, conversely the mains transformer may have failed -
if the fuse has blown there's probably a reason - ***DO NOT*** replace
with a higher value, unless you intend discovering where all the
smoke-that-makes-it-work is stored, by making it escape... if the
***correctly rated*** fuse blows, it's time for the schematic and some
time scratching your head, or a trip to a competent tech.

Hope that helps,
Dave H.
(The engineer formerly known as Homeless)


The SPX 90 uses a switch mode power supply, no mains transformer,
dangerously high voltages if you live in the UK as the 240 volt mains is
rectified directly to DC. Mess with them with care!


Gareth.
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Doze
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Yamaha SPX90 Reply with quote

Thanks so much for the input. I'll follow up in a few days to let you
know what progress (or lack of!) I have made. I can't thank you
enough.
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Doze
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:02 am    Post subject: Re: Yamaha SPX90 Reply with quote

Well, sooner than a couple of days, I'm back. No blown fuse anywhere.
I've ordered new caps for the output section just to try that out.
I WAS able to find AC on the transformer side, up to the bridge
rectifier/diodes. I can't find DC past that, or anywhere else on the
board for that matter. Should I assume these need to be replaced? Or
that I am testing for DC incorrectly? If they are damaged, would this
mean another problem elsewhere perhaps?

Not ready to throw in the towel yet.
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TimPerry
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Yamaha SPX90 Reply with quote

"Doze" <ipedigo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1139016660.313637.58050@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Well, sooner than a couple of days, I'm back. No blown fuse anywhere.
I've ordered new caps for the output section just to try that out.
I WAS able to find AC on the transformer side, up to the bridge
rectifier/diodes. I can't find DC past that, or anywhere else on the
board for that matter. Should I assume these need to be replaced?

check diodes with ohmeter (unit power off)

Quote:
Or that I am testing for DC incorrectly?

use a DC voltmeter (or oscilloscope)

Quote:
If they are damaged, would this
mean another problem elsewhere perhaps?


maybe: sometimes its just the diodes that go


Quote:
Not ready to throw in the towel yet.


if you do make sure its a DRY towel.
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Gareth Magennis
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Yamaha SPX90 Reply with quote

"Doze" <ipedigo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1139016660.313637.58050@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Well, sooner than a couple of days, I'm back. No blown fuse anywhere.
I've ordered new caps for the output section just to try that out.
I WAS able to find AC on the transformer side, up to the bridge
rectifier/diodes. I can't find DC past that, or anywhere else on the
board for that matter. Should I assume these need to be replaced? Or
that I am testing for DC incorrectly? If they are damaged, would this
mean another problem elsewhere perhaps?

Not ready to throw in the towel yet.



Mr Doze,

you are measuring a Switched Mode Power Supply. They do not work like
normal power supplies and can be VERY dangerous. It is basically an
oscillator switching rectified mains voltages in a similar fashion to a
mains light dimmer switch. If there is a problem, the oscillator may well
not be running so you will not be able to measure anything. If you measure
the rectified mains voltage with your finger you may well get a nasty burn
or worse.

Do as I suggest and change the output caps. If it still doesn't work you can
start assuming things all you like.



Gareth.
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Doze
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: Yamaha SPX90 Reply with quote

Thanks Gareth, for the advice.

I replaced the caps and this has not fixed the problem.
I also replaced a resistor immediately after the recitifer and when I
powered it up, it blew as well as the fuse. I'm not really sure what
is the culprit now.

Any new advice?
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Gareth Magennis
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Yamaha SPX90 Reply with quote

"Doze" <ipedigo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1139878894.577022.183390@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Quote:

Thanks Gareth, for the advice.

I replaced the caps and this has not fixed the problem.
I also replaced a resistor immediately after the recitifer and when I
powered it up, it blew as well as the fuse. I'm not really sure what
is the culprit now.

Any new advice?


If it's blowing fuses and components you're in a bit of bother. I really
don't like repairing Swithched Mode Power Supplies cos I usually fail
dismally. The worst thing is a lot of the components are special types not
readily available (except maybe to a TV engineer). If it's blowing things
up then probably something is a dead short. Check all the silicon. Good
luck.

Maybe try a TV repair shop if all else fails, though these units aren't
exactly worth much and they are quite noisy.



Gareth.
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GregS
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Yamaha SPX90 Reply with quote

In article <dssmut$epq$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote:
Quote:

"Doze" <ipedigo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1139878894.577022.183390@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Thanks Gareth, for the advice.

I replaced the caps and this has not fixed the problem.
I also replaced a resistor immediately after the recitifer and when I
powered it up, it blew as well as the fuse. I'm not really sure what
is the culprit now.

Any new advice?


If it's blowing fuses and components you're in a bit of bother. I really
don't like repairing Swithched Mode Power Supplies cos I usually fail
dismally. The worst thing is a lot of the components are special types not
readily available (except maybe to a TV engineer). If it's blowing things
up then probably something is a dead short. Check all the silicon. Good
luck.

Maybe try a TV repair shop if all else fails, though these units aren't
exactly worth much and they are quite noisy

On the input side of the transformer should be one or more Fet
like devices to actually do the switching. It may be shorted,
or some other diode or surpressor. If the input side is OK,
then it may be the output side shorted, by a diode, cap, ot other.
Transformers can also go bad, but not usually.

greg
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JFeenstra



Joined: 13 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: Re: Yamaha SPX90 Reply with quote

hi, i recently came across one with a dead power supply as well, although the fuse isn't blown i'm having some difficulty spotting the problem...there isn't anything obvious (ie. poor solder joints, leaking caps) so i'm kind of stuck

does anyone happen to have the service manuel for the unit?
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