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Vanessa
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:09 am    Post subject: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Military Reply with quote

How do we adjust a too-large stainless steel watch band? (It's not
obvious.)

I bought, at CostCo, the Wenger Swiss Military 200m water proof watch
for my teen-age son's birthday for about 30 dollars (as he wants to
learn how to scuba dive in Monterey Bay).

His thin wrist in no way fits this Wenger watch band, even wearing his
wetsuit, in so much as at least two links need to be removed from the
stainless steel watch band, one on each side. Instructions supplied
with the blister pack do not explain how to adjust the band (presumably
it's so simple that we should be able to figure it out by ourselves
using a butter knife)???

His new Wenger Swiss Military watch band has six links on each side,
with two (I'll guess they're called) pins holding them together. The
three lower links on each side each have a 2 mm arrow embossed into the
center of the backside of the plates (for whatever reason, I don't
know). My son suspects that arrow is telling us the direction in which
to remove the pins holding the links to the watch band.

Further evidence these six links are the remove-me links are the fact
that a pin of some sort can be seen on a side view of the Wenger watch
band for these "arrowed" links only.

Problem is - how do we remove those 'pins'? If we punch them out with
an incredibly small punch (the pins seem to be about a half millimeter
in diameter), won't we ruin them? I mean, what holds them in? Friction?
If it's friction, won't we need new pins when we punch out the old ones
(presumably stripping the heads)?

The other thing is these arrows are not symetrical in that they are
only lined up with one of the two pins per link (that is, there is only
one arrow per link and that arrow is under only one of the pins per the
link).

Am I missing something fundamental here?
What's the trick to removing and replacing two links in a steel watch
band?
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Rod Speed
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

Vanessa <stancinni@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1119000024.264387.211770@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Quote:
How do we adjust a too-large stainless steel watch band?
(It's not obvious.)

Yeah, I basically removed a couple of the links.

Quote:
I bought, at CostCo, the Wenger Swiss Military 200m water
proof watch for my teen-age son's birthday for about 30 dollars
(as he wants to learn how to scuba dive in Monterey Bay).

His thin wrist in no way fits this Wenger watch band,

Yeah, I had the same problem.

Quote:
even wearing his wetsuit, in so much as at least two links need
to be removed from the stainless steel watch band, one on each
side. Instructions supplied with the blister pack do not explain
how to adjust the band (presumably it's so simple that we should
be able to figure it out by ourselves using a butter knife)???

Not really, but it isnt rocket science.

Quote:
His new Wenger Swiss Military watch band has six links on each
side, with two (I'll guess they're called) pins holding them together.

Mine had fold over metal bits with each link.

Quote:
The three lower links on each side each have a 2 mm arrow embossed
into the center of the backside of the plates (for whatever reason, I don't
know). My son suspects that arrow is telling us the direction in which
to remove the pins holding the links to the watch band.

Further evidence these six links are the remove-me links are
the fact that a pin of some sort can be seen on a side view
of the Wenger watch band for these "arrowed" links only.

Sounds plausible.

Quote:
Problem is - how do we remove those 'pins'? If we punch them out with
an incredibly small punch (the pins seem to be about a half millimeter
in diameter), won't we ruin them? I mean, what holds them in? Friction?

Some have a spring loaded inner pin at each end.

Quote:
If it's friction, won't we need new pins when we punch
out the old ones (presumably stripping the heads)?

The other thing is these arrows are not symetrical in
that they are only lined up with one of the two pins per
link (that is, there is only one arrow per link and that
arrow is under only one of the pins per the link).

Am I missing something fundamental here?

Yes, http://www.wengerna.com/faq.jsp?cat_id=1#add_links

Quote:
What's the trick to removing and replacing
two links in a steel watch band?

Looks like there is a special tool that does it.
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Lee Bell
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

"Vanessa" wrote

Quote:
How do we adjust a too-large stainless steel watch band? (It's not
obvious.)

It's not real hard, but may be more than you want to take on. Your son is
on the right track, but you don't use a butter knife. More likely, you use
a small paperclip of safety pin. Regardless, your best bet, given the fact
that this is clearly not your specialty, is to take the watch to a jeweler.
At worst, he won't charge much. At best, if you catch him when he's not
busy, he'll do it for free, just for the good will.

Lee
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Hound Dog
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

"Vanessa" <stancinni@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1119000024.264387.211770@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
How do we adjust a too-large stainless steel watch band? (It's not
obvious.)

I bought, at CostCo, the Wenger Swiss Military 200m water proof watch
for my teen-age son's birthday for about 30 dollars (as he wants to
learn how to scuba dive in Monterey Bay).

His thin wrist in no way fits this Wenger watch band, even wearing his
wetsuit, in so much as at least two links need to be removed from the
stainless steel watch band, one on each side. Instructions supplied
with the blister pack do not explain how to adjust the band (presumably
it's so simple that we should be able to figure it out by ourselves
using a butter knife)???

His new Wenger Swiss Military watch band has six links on each side,
with two (I'll guess they're called) pins holding them together. The
three lower links on each side each have a 2 mm arrow embossed into the
center of the backside of the plates (for whatever reason, I don't
know). My son suspects that arrow is telling us the direction in which
to remove the pins holding the links to the watch band.

Further evidence these six links are the remove-me links are the fact
that a pin of some sort can be seen on a side view of the Wenger watch
band for these "arrowed" links only.
Problem is - how do we remove those 'pins'? If we punch them out with
an incredibly small punch (the pins seem to be about a half millimeter
in diameter), won't we ruin them? I mean, what holds them in? Friction?
If it's friction, won't we need new pins when we punch out the old ones
(presumably stripping the heads)?

The other thing is these arrows are not symetrical in that they are
only lined up with one of the two pins per link (that is, there is only
one arrow per link and that arrow is under only one of the pins per the
link).

Am I missing something fundamental here?
What's the trick to removing and replacing two links in a steel watch
band?

I've adjusted quite a few watch bands over the years and each time was
different.

Have a jeweler do it. He want charge much and he has the tools and know how
to do it right.
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Michael Daly
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

On 17-Jun-2005, "Vanessa" <stancinni@yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
I bought, at CostCo, the Wenger Swiss Military 200m water proof watch
for my teen-age son's birthday for about 30 dollars (as he wants to
learn how to scuba dive in Monterey Bay).

Don't be too surprised if the watch doesn't work well under water.
200m water resistance sounds like is should be ok (since the
sport diving limit is 40m). However, if it has any push buttons
and they are not specifically designed for constant pressure, they
may depress under water pressure. What happens to the watch if
the button(s) are constantly held down may be unpredictable. DAMHIKT.

Mike
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Scott
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
"Vanessa" wrote

How do we adjust a too-large stainless steel watch band? (It's not
obvious.)

It's not real hard, but may be more than you want to take on. Your son is
on the right track, but you don't use a butter knife. More likely, you
use
a small paperclip of safety pin. Regardless, your best bet, given the
fact
that this is clearly not your specialty, is to take the watch to a
jeweler.
At worst, he won't charge much. At best, if you catch him when he's not
busy, he'll do it for free, just for the good will.

I gotta say;

For a conservative democrat, you sure are a decent human.

<grin>
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Vanessa
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

Rod Speed wrote:
Quote:
Am I missing something fundamental here?

Yes, http://www.wengerna.com/faq.jsp?cat_id=1#add_links

What's the trick to removing and replacing
two links in a steel watch band?

Looks like there is a special tool that does it.

I should have mentioned I had been to the Wenger web site previously.
http://www.wengerasi.com
which happens to have a photo of my son's Wenger Swiss Military Watch
(70016) on the home page - but my searches came up blank.

However, unless I'm more of an idiot than I thought (which is always
possible smile, there are absolutely no instructions for removing links in
that steel watch band on the entire Wenger web site.

While there are detailed instructions for measuring arcane things like
the simple width of the watch
(http://www.wengerna.com/browse/tutorial.jsp) I'm surprised there are
no common adjustment instructions for the band. Given the CostCo Wenger
Swiss Military 200m date watch band ships in XXL elephant size, I can't
imagine that everyone on the planet won't have to remove links in the
bracelet band.

I very much appreciate your link to the Wenger Swiss Army Watch FAQ.
http://www.wengerna.com/faq.jsp
But all it says for adjusting the band is take it to someone who knows
how to adjust the band already (that's why I'm asking this message
board). :)

The two PDFs at that FAQ site are for the booklet that comes with the
watch (which says ask someone who knows how to adjust the band) and for
ordering new bands.

Why would it be so exasperating to do something so simple as a watch
band adjustment - especially since the band comes in such a huge size
to start with that every human other than Mike Tyson will have to
adjust the band. Where's the usability in that? :)

By the way, I seriously doubt the pin is spring loaded like it is for
the clasp adjustment on the band because in the u-shaped clasp, there's
a place for the pin to come out - but in the closed-off band, there is
NOWHERE for a spring-loaded pin to exit. It seems that the link pins
can ONLY come out one end or the other which means it must be a
friction fit or some other trick - but not simple springs like in the
clasp (am I totally off base here?)???

Here is my best-guess procedure for all those CostCo watch buyers out
there.
1. Find a very small (1/2 mm) punch (probably a very tiny brad or nail)
2. Find a block of wood with a very small hole (about 1mm or so)
3. Find the arrow on the underside of the Wenger Swiss Military Watch
70016
4. Place the watch band on its side on the block of wood
5. Place the point of the punch on the pin in the direction of the --->
arrow
6. Make sure there is a closed hole (a ditch if you will) below the pin
7. That way you won't lose the pin if it suddenly pops out on you
8. Punch two pins per link out
9. Remove the link and replace only one of the pins
10. If we're lucky - the pins won't have been destroyed in the process

Does this sound anywhere near like a usable procedure for the new
owners of the Costco 70016 Wenger Swiss Military 200m date watch?
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SoCalMike
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

Vanessa wrote:
Quote:
Am I missing something fundamental here?

either return the watch for the $50 casio with the vinyl band, or take
the wenger to a local jewelry store and have em resize it for a few bucks.
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SoCalMike
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

Vanessa wrote:
Quote:
Why would it be so exasperating to do something so simple as a watch
band adjustment - especially since the band comes in such a huge size
to start with that every human other than Mike Tyson will have to
adjust the band. Where's the usability in that? smile

the bigger the band size, the more people can potentially wear it.
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Lee Bell
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

"Scott" wrote

Quote:
I gotta say;

For a conservative democrat, you sure are a decent human.

You didn't have to say, but I'm glad you did. Thanks.

Lee
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Rod Speed
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

Vanessa <stancinni@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Rod Speed wrote

Am I missing something fundamental here?

Yes, http://www.wengerna.com/faq.jsp?cat_id=1#add_links

What's the trick to removing and replacing
two links in a steel watch band?

Looks like there is a special tool that does it.

I should have mentioned I had been to the Wenger web site previously.
http://www.wengerasi.com
which happens to have a photo of my son's Wenger Swiss Military Watch
(70016) on the home page - but my searches came up blank.

However, unless I'm more of an idiot than I thought (which is always
possible smile, there are absolutely no instructions for removing links in
that steel watch band on the entire Wenger web site.

While there are detailed instructions for measuring arcane things like
the simple width of the watch
(http://www.wengerna.com/browse/tutorial.jsp) I'm surprised there are
no common adjustment instructions for the band. Given the CostCo Wenger
Swiss Military 200m date watch band ships in XXL elephant size, I can't
imagine that everyone on the planet won't have to remove links in the
bracelet band.

I very much appreciate your link to the Wenger Swiss Army Watch FAQ.
http://www.wengerna.com/faq.jsp
But all it says for adjusting the band is take it to someone who knows
how to adjust the band already (that's why I'm asking this message board). smile

It actually says pretty unambiguously that there is a special tool that is
used to remove excess links and that the watchmaker should have it.
http://www.wengerna.com/faq.jsp?cat_id=1#add_links

Its certainly possible that someone with some decent mechanical
aptitude can work out how to do it without the tool, but its unlikely
that you'll find anyone who has done that with that particular band.

Quote:
The two PDFs at that FAQ site are for the booklet that
comes with the watch (which says ask someone who
knows how to adjust the band) and for ordering new bands.

Why would it be so exasperating to do something so simple as
a watch band adjustment - especially since the band comes in
such a huge size to start with that every human other than Mike
Tyson will have to adjust the band. Where's the usability in that? smile

Basically they have chosen to have the seller of the watch do it.

Thats basically a design choice.

Quote:
By the way, I seriously doubt the pin is spring loaded like it is for
the clasp adjustment on the band because in the u-shaped clasp,

Yeah, sounds plausible. And you dont need a special tool for those.

Quote:
there's a place for the pin to come out - but in the closed-off band,
there is NOWHERE for a spring-loaded pin to exit. It seems that
the link pins can ONLY come out one end or the other which
means it must be a friction fit or some other trick - but not simple
springs like in the clasp (am I totally off base here?)???

Nar, it does look like they have designed it to be dont with a special tool.

Corse that doesnt mean that thats the only way it can be done.

Likely it is a friction fit and the tool provides enough force to overcome that.

Quote:
Here is my best-guess procedure for all those CostCo watch buyers out there.
1. Find a very small (1/2 mm) punch (probably a very tiny brad or nail)
2. Find a block of wood with a very small hole (about 1mm or so)
3. Find the arrow on the underside of the Wenger Swiss Military Watch
70016
4. Place the watch band on its side on the block of wood
5. Place the point of the punch on the pin in the direction of the ---
arrow
6. Make sure there is a closed hole (a ditch if you will) below the pin
7. That way you won't lose the pin if it suddenly pops out on you
8. Punch two pins per link out
9. Remove the link and replace only one of the pins
10. If we're lucky - the pins won't have been destroyed in the process

Does this sound anywhere near like a usable procedure for the new
owners of the Costco 70016 Wenger Swiss Military 200m date watch?

Have you asked costco what they suggest you do about the band adjustment ?
They may have an arrangement with someone to do that.
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dAz
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:01 am    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

Vanessa wrote:

Quote:
Here is my best-guess procedure for all those CostCo watch buyers out
there.
1. Find a very small (1/2 mm) punch (probably a very tiny brad or nail)
2. Find a block of wood with a very small hole (about 1mm or so)
3. Find the arrow on the underside of the Wenger Swiss Military Watch
70016
4. Place the watch band on its side on the block of wood
5. Place the point of the punch on the pin in the direction of the ---
arrow
6. Make sure there is a closed hole (a ditch if you will) below the pin
7. That way you won't lose the pin if it suddenly pops out on you
8. Punch two pins per link out
9. Remove the link and replace only one of the pins
10. If we're lucky - the pins won't have been destroyed in the process

Does this sound anywhere near like a usable procedure for the new
owners of the Costco 70016 Wenger Swiss Military 200m date watch?


you can buy the tools off ebay, either one of these
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10363&item=5004066795
or this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10363&item=5004067208

if the band has the push out pin type and is not a screw or a "U" shaped
clip like used in the Seiko bands.

but really the best solution for you is to take it to a watchmaker or
jeweller and have them do it, I usually charge a couple of dollars, or
nothing if they bought watch or band from me.

the watchmaker/jeweller would have the right tools and the knowledge of
the right way to remove links without damage to the band.

some bands are easy, some are real bastards to do.
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Greg Mossman
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:02 am    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

"dAz" <dazb@zipDOTcomDOTau> wrote in message
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Quote:
but really the best solution for you is to take it to a watchmaker or
jeweller and have them do it, I usually charge a couple of dollars, or
nothing if they bought watch or band from me.

You don't get pissed off that your customer bought their watch from a big
box store? If I were the jeweler I'd probably tell the customer to return
to Costco to get the thing adjusted because that's the quality service she
paid for. But that's just me perhaps.
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dAz
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

Greg Mossman wrote:
Quote:
"dAz" <dazb@zipDOTcomDOTau> wrote in message
news:42b374c4$0$13944$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...


but really the best solution for you is to take it to a watchmaker or
jeweller and have them do it, I usually charge a couple of dollars, or
nothing if they bought watch or band from me.


You don't get pissed off that your customer bought their watch from a big
box store? If I were the jeweler I'd probably tell the customer to return
to Costco to get the thing adjusted because that's the quality service she
paid for. But that's just me perhaps.


all the time, they buy them duty free, on a bargain somwhere etc etc,
but come to me for batteries, servicing, and band adjustments, meanwhile
my stock just sit there on the shelf, oh well, glad I am not in a shop
anymore.
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SoCalMike
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: How to adjust steel linked watch band (Wenger Swiss Mili Reply with quote

Greg Mossman wrote:
Quote:
You don't get pissed off that your customer bought their watch from a big
box store? If I were the jeweler I'd probably tell the customer to return
to Costco to get the thing adjusted because that's the quality service she
paid for. But that's just me perhaps.

mom and pop shops are there to provide service. costco is there to
provide low prices on some items.
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