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 Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: osb boat |
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I plan to build a 8 x 16 ft. barge using 3/8 osb sheeting and covering it
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Tom
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:34 am Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:29:52 -0600, "Pop" <cc221@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Go for it!!
You don't have that much to lose.
Tom
| Quote: | I plan to build a 8 x 16 ft. barge using 3/8 osb sheeting and covering it
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Steve
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:40 am Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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You have more confidence in OSB (or as I call it "Chip Board", among other
names).
OSB begins to become unstable even near the presents of moisture. Even if
you cover it inside and out, the moisture will find it's way in and crack or
break the seal of anything you coat it with..
Additionally, OSB has very little tensile strength, an important
characteristic in any water craft. To over come this you would need very
closely spaced frames and stringers, thus adding weight and cost.
My comments are not intended to "rain on your parade". If you must
economize, try using CDX play and your plans would have a much better chance
of success.
My opinion and experience, FWIW.
Steve
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William R. Watt
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:36 am Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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It would be an interesting experiment.
I would not expect the boat to last more than a season or two.
I would not take it very far from shore, ie how far can you swim?
In addition to the other things written here about OSB I'd also consider:
- how resistant would the spray on truck bed liner be to scrapes? If the
chips get wet they will swell. I'd put a pair of skids on the bottom to
protect the hull from scrapes in hopes the boat would last longer.
- once the chips in the board get wet and start to swell like the stuff
you see left uncovered in sheds and other buidlings, I imagine it would be
very difficult to make watertight again, ie hard to repair and keep
watertight once it starts to go.
- there's so much glue in OSB the boat will be heavier than plywood.
I'd take a pair of bathroom scales to the lumber yard and weight a sheet,
then calculate the weight of the boat before building it.
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Brian Whatcott
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:42 am Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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On 9 Jan 2005 20:36:55 GMT, ag384@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (William R.
Watt) wrote:
| Quote: | - there's so much glue in OSB the boat will be heavier than plywood.
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The OSB board provided to wall a garden shed that we put up last year,
came with a flyer that explained that it is made by hot pressing
chips so that the resin bonds the material.
Brian Whatcott Altus OK |
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Jim Conlin
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 2:10 am Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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Brian-
Is the garden shed on its way to being the compost heap?
I would strongly recommend that such a boat only be used in water
shallow enough to walk to shore.
Brian Whatcott wrote:
| Quote: | The OSB board provided to wall a garden shed that we put up last year,
came with a flyer that explained that it is made by hot pressing
chips so that the resin bonds the material.
Brian Whatcott Altus OK
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Stephen Baker
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 2:47 am Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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Pop says:
| Quote: | I plan to build a 8 x 16 ft. barge using 3/8 osb sheeting and covering it
inside and out with a spray on bed liner material. Any pro or con comments
would be appreciated.
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Read this first, then decide.
http://www.umass.edu/bmatwt/publications/articles/osb_vs_plywood.html
Also, be sure that the thickness is sufficient - 3/8" anything sounds light for
a 16' barge, but it all depends on what the "barge" is used for.
Steve |
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Old Nick
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:40 am Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 20:42:58 GMT, Brian Whatcott
<betwys1@sbcglobal.net> vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
| Quote: | On 9 Jan 2005 20:36:55 GMT, ag384@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (William R.
Watt) wrote:
- there's so much glue in OSB the boat will be heavier than plywood.
The OSB board provided to wall a garden shed that we put up last year,
came with a flyer that explained that it is made by hot pressing
chips so that the resin bonds the material.
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Yes, but which resin? <G>
Chipboard has been made with, IIRC, Formaldehyde glues for years. They
may have changed, but I doubt there is no glue in there. Whatever, the
stuff is extremely strength/weight challenged, and does not like
moisture. |
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Old Nick
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:44 am Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:29:52 -0600, "Pop" <cc221@bellsouth.net> vaguely
proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
Not much pro there.
The bed liner material will not be cheap. The sheet will need to be
(roughly) twice as thick as ply of the same strength for your purposes
and is really dense. It hates water. Something will leak.
You would be far better off with well-painted exterior ply. It
probably won't cost much more either.
If you are getting down to the chipboard sort of level when building
boats, then expect failure to be the norm.
| Quote: | I plan to build a 8 x 16 ft. barge using 3/8 osb sheeting and covering it
inside and out with a spray on bed liner material. Any pro or con comments
would be appreciated.
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WaIIy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:50 am Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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On 9 Jan 2005 20:36:55 GMT, ag384@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (William R. Watt)
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It would be an interesting experiment.
I would not expect the boat to last more than a season or two.
I would not take it very far from shore, ie how far can you swim?
In addition to the other things written here about OSB I'd also consider:
- how resistant would the spray on truck bed liner be to scrapes? If the
chips get wet they will swell. I'd put a pair of skids on the bottom to
protect the hull from scrapes in hopes the boat would last longer.
- once the chips in the board get wet and start to swell like the stuff
you see left uncovered in sheds and other buidlings, I imagine it would be
very difficult to make watertight again, ie hard to repair and keep
watertight once it starts to go.
- there's so much glue in OSB the boat will be heavier than plywood.
I'd take a pair of bathroom scales to the lumber yard and weight a sheet,
then calculate the weight of the boat before building it.
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Well it will be good for dual purpose.
After about a week, it will become an artificial reef whether he wants
it to or not. |
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Old Nick
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:33 am Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:50:05 GMT, WaIIy <eIvez@ChangeThisPart.com>
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:
Wouldn't it end up more like fishing burley? <G>
| Quote: | Well it will be good for dual purpose.
After about a week, it will become an artificial reef whether he wants
it to or not. |
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Donnie Gilliland
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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I wouldn't even waste the time or money doing it in such a fool hardy
way.... OSB? No way!
"Old Nick" <nsnfwhite@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:29:52 -0600, "Pop" <cc221@bellsouth.net> vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
Not much pro there.
The bed liner material will not be cheap. The sheet will need to be
(roughly) twice as thick as ply of the same strength for your purposes
and is really dense. It hates water. Something will leak.
You would be far better off with well-painted exterior ply. It
probably won't cost much more either.
If you are getting down to the chipboard sort of level when building
boats, then expect failure to be the norm.
I plan to build a 8 x 16 ft. barge using 3/8 osb sheeting and covering it
inside and out with a spray on bed liner material. Any pro or con
comments
would be appreciated.
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rebel
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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"Stephen Baker" <saildesign@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Pop says:
I plan to build a 8 x 16 ft. barge using 3/8 osb sheeting and covering it
inside and out with a spray on bed liner material. Any pro or con comments
would be appreciated.
Read this first, then decide.
http://www.umass.edu/bmatwt/publications/articles/osb_vs_plywood.html
Also, be sure that the thickness is sufficient - 3/8" anything sounds
light for
a 16' barge, but it all depends on what the "barge" is used for.
Steve
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Logs are ground into thin wood strands to produce oriented strandboard.
Dried strands are mixed with wax and adhesive, formed into thick mats, and
then hot-pressed into panels. Don't mistake osb for chipboard or waferboard.
Osb is different. The strands in osb are aligned. "Strand plies" are
positioned as alternating layers that run perpendicular to each other. This
structure mimics plywood. Waferboard, a weaker and less-stiff cousin of osb,
is a homogeneous, random composition. Osb is engineered to have strength and
stiffness equivalent to plywood.
Performance is similar in many ways, but there are differences in the
service provided by osb and plywood. All wood products expand when they get
wet. When osb is exposed to wet conditions, it expands faster around the
perimeter of the panel than it does in the middle. Swollen edges of osb
panels can telegraph through thin coverings like asphalt roof shingles.
So make sure edges are sealed and joints filled with epoxy paste and all
sealed with epoxy glass then no difference, even ply edges will wick if
exposed.
After all it is the same glue in use on both products.
I feel that where a dual shin of material is required the under surface
could be substituted with OSB. |
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Pop
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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I have read enough to scrap this idea, will go with exterior grade plywood.
Thanks
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Stanley Barthfarkle
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:35 am Post subject: Re: osb boat |
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You'll not be building a boat, you'll be building a sink... :)
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