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hawkeyes2
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:38 am    Post subject: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

I would appreciate some ideas of what my truck's problem might be. It runs
great when starting up and runs fine for the first mile, but then it starts
to bog down and miss. If you pump the gas pedal/goose it a little bit it
jumps like it wants to run, but it doesn't sustain it. It's an 83 Chevy
Full size with a 305 engine and a quadrajet carb. I've checked spark
plugs and wires, distrib cap and rotor, vacuum advance, checked all vacuum
lines, Checked ignition timing, sprayed carb cleaner down in carb while
running, ran b12 through the gas tank with good gas, new fuel filter.
Everything I've looked at seems to be okay. Any idea what I could try
next?
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Lawrence Glickman
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:38:48 -0500, "hawkeyes2"
<1234@nospam.earthling.net> wrote:

Quote:
I would appreciate some ideas of what my truck's problem might be. It runs
great when starting up and runs fine for the first mile, but then it starts
to bog down and miss. If you pump the gas pedal/goose it a little bit it
jumps like it wants to run, but it doesn't sustain it. It's an 83 Chevy
Full size with a 305 engine and a quadrajet carb. I've checked spark
plugs and wires, distrib cap and rotor, vacuum advance, checked all vacuum
lines, Checked ignition timing, sprayed carb cleaner down in carb while
running, ran b12 through the gas tank with good gas, new fuel filter.
Everything I've looked at seems to be okay. Any idea what I could try
next?

AIR

Air leak

How do I know? I don't know, you asked for an "idea" and I've had air
leaks around the carburetor on the intake manifold that caused the
exact same problem.

Time for the propane test, if you want to find out how to do it,
around your intake manifold and carb, google.

Lg
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hawkeyes2
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

I think I will try the propane test. Seems like it would be more accurate
than a funnel on the end of an old garden hose stuck up to my ear. I'll
post the results.
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Lawrence Glickman
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:34:44 -0500, "hawkeyes2"
<1234@nospam.earthling.net> wrote:

Quote:
I think I will try the propane test. Seems like it would be more accurate
than a funnel on the end of an old garden hose stuck up to my ear. I'll
post the results.

You have nothing to lose with this test. Your engine speed will
increase if you have unmetered air coming into the manifold from a
leaky gasket when the propane finds the entry point.

It's happened to me before, and because of the age of your truck (
1983 ) I'm thinking you have a bad gasket or a loose bolt somewhere,
most likely a bad gasket.

So if this doesn't turn out to be the problem, at least you can cross
that off the list of suspect causes.

Lg
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

"hawkeyes2" <1234@nospam.earthling.net> wrote in
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Quote:
I would appreciate some ideas of what my truck's problem might be. It
runs great when starting up and runs fine for the first mile, but then
it starts to bog down and miss. If you pump the gas pedal/goose it a
little bit it jumps like it wants to run, but it doesn't sustain it.
It's an 83 Chevy Full size with a 305 engine and a quadrajet carb.
I've checked spark plugs and wires, distrib cap and rotor, vacuum
advance, checked all vacuum lines, Checked ignition timing, sprayed
carb cleaner down in carb while running, ran b12 through the gas tank
with good gas, new fuel filter. Everything I've looked at seems to be
okay. Any idea what I could try next?



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Sportster4Eva
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

hawkeyes2 wrote:

Quote:
I would appreciate some ideas of what my truck's problem might be. It runs
great when starting up and runs fine for the first mile, but then it starts
to bog down and miss. If you pump the gas pedal/goose it a little bit it
jumps like it wants to run, but it doesn't sustain it. It's an 83 Chevy
Full size with a 305 engine and a quadrajet carb. I've checked spark
plugs and wires, distrib cap and rotor, vacuum advance, checked all vacuum
lines, Checked ignition timing, sprayed carb cleaner down in carb while
running, ran b12 through the gas tank with good gas, new fuel filter.
Everything I've looked at seems to be okay. Any idea what I could try
next?

EGR Valve??



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hawkeyes2
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

Well here's an update. I tried the propane test around the intake, vacuum
lines, and anywhere air could be sucked in and I didn't find a leak
anywhere. I also checked the egr valve and it's OK too. Someone
mentioned the carb might be stopped up and I guess that's possible since I
have a bad ladybug problem. The only other 2 things I can think of is the
carb or the coil. You think the coil might be getting weak? How exactly
do you check a coil? This uses the kind that fits in the top of the
distrib cap.
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ed
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:58 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

Lots of fuel pump troubles these days.
Check your fuel pressure.
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Andrew Crabtree
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:11 am    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

"hawkeyes2" <1234@nospam.earthling.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
anywhere. I also checked the egr valve and it's OK too. Someone
EGR valve can test good when the EGR system isn't working properly.


Andy
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Billy Bad Assr©
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:50 am    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

"hawkeyes2" <1234@nospam.earthling.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
I would appreciate some ideas of what my truck's problem might be. It runs
great when starting up and runs fine for the first mile, but then it starts
to bog down and miss. If you pump the gas pedal/goose it a little bit it
jumps like it wants to run, but it doesn't sustain it. It's an 83 Chevy
Full size with a 305 engine and a quadrajet carb. I've checked spark
plugs and wires, distrib cap and rotor, vacuum advance, checked all vacuum
lines, Checked ignition timing, sprayed carb cleaner down in carb while
running, ran b12 through the gas tank with good gas, new fuel filter.
Everything I've looked at seems to be okay. Any idea what I could try
next?

Carburetor accelerator pump or possibly a dirty fuel filter! - Use a flashlight,
look down the carburetor throat. Now, with your free hand, pump the accelerator
lever once - you should see (NO dibbles, drips or half squirts) 2 fine streams
of fuel! If it dribbles = a dirty fuel filter and possibly a faulty accelerator
pump. If jets drip or a half squirt = faulty accelerator pump


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Billy Bad Assr©
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:57 am    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

Engine Off!!!!!
Quote:
Carburetor accelerator pump or possibly a dirty fuel filter! - Use a
flashlight,
look down the carburetor throat. Now, with your free hand, pump the
accelerator
lever once - you should see (NO dibbles, drips or half squirts) 2 fine streams
of fuel! If it dribbles = a dirty fuel filter and possibly a faulty
accelerator
pump. If jets drip or a half squirt = faulty accelerator pump
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hawkeyes2
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

Well I've worked at this truck all day today and still haven't figured it
out. So far the head gasket isn't leaking and it isn't sucking air from
anywhere else that I know of. As far as I can tell everything with the
egr system is working. I pumped the carb while looking down the throat an
I get 2 strong solid streams of gas. A new fuel filter doesn't help. I
would check the fuel pressure, but I don't have anything to check it with,
although I do know the pump is pumping lots of volume. The engine is
burning a crap load of gas and as far as I can tell the choke isn't
sticking. I just don't understand how this thing can idle so well and run
so good for the first half mile or so and then screw up so bad. It seems
like it smothers out more if I put the engine in a bind trying to go
uphill. However, if I floor it and get the other half of the carb open,
it will run like crap until I let off and close it. That's what makes me
think the carb is stopped up, but why so much gas consumption?
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MasterBlaster
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

"hawkeyes2" wrote

Quote:
Well I've worked at this truck all day today and still haven't figured it
out. So far the head gasket isn't leaking and it isn't sucking air from
anywhere else that I know of. As far as I can tell everything with the
egr system is working. I pumped the carb while looking down the throat an
I get 2 strong solid streams of gas. A new fuel filter doesn't help. I
would check the fuel pressure, but I don't have anything to check it with,
although I do know the pump is pumping lots of volume. The engine is
burning a crap load of gas and as far as I can tell the choke isn't
sticking. I just don't understand how this thing can idle so well and run
so good for the first half mile or so and then screw up so bad. It seems
like it smothers out more if I put the engine in a bind trying to go
uphill. However, if I floor it and get the other half of the carb open,
it will run like crap until I let off and close it. That's what makes me
think the carb is stopped up, but why so much gas consumption?

Quadrajet, eh?
Float (plastic one) saturated and slowly sinking, raising fuel level?
Float (brass one) got a pinhole and slowly sinking, raising fuel level?
Secondary metering well plugs (bottom of the float bowl) like to leak
too, drip-drip-dripping right into the manifold.

How about a combination...
Plugs leak, gas mileage goes to hell.
Float sinks, gas mileage goes to hell in a handbasket.
Park truck overnight, float bowl eventually empties, float dries out a bit,
next day start it up, runs fine (plugs dripping = rich = nice idle) until float
soaks up just enough new gas to start sinking again.
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hawkeyes2
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

Everything is leading me to believe the carb is the problem. I've wanted
to have the carb rebuilt for a while now, but it hasn't given any problems
until now, so if I can find good mail order rebuild service I may go with
that. I talked to my mechanic and he said it would be over a week before
he could get my truck in his shop, so that's why I decided to try a few
minor things myself. As soon as it's fixed I'll post again. Thanks very
much to all of you who have made suggestions. It was a big help.
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Ted Mittelstaedt
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 Chevy Truck running rough/missing Reply with quote

"hawkeyes2" <1234@nospam.earthling.net> wrote in message
news:481f8ed27159deb81c39d1bde7502377@localhost.talkaboutautos.com...
Quote:
I would appreciate some ideas of what my truck's problem might be. It
runs
great when starting up and runs fine for the first mile, but then it
starts
to bog down and miss. If you pump the gas pedal/goose it a little bit it
jumps like it wants to run, but it doesn't sustain it. It's an 83 Chevy
Full size with a 305 engine and a quadrajet carb.

Does it have the mechanical Quadrajet or the electronic Quadrajet. If it's
the electronic one then it could be the selonoid operated metering rod on
the carb.

Before buying a rebuild check Ebay, there's a lot of Rochester Quadrajets
on there, many already rebuilt. Just match your carb numbers and your off.

Ted
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